I have suddenly realised why our props seem to be taking the ball up a bit more in the last few weeks, Sarginson as been out for the same length of time.

As an aside I may not be on for a couple of weeks, I am logging out and then making an attempt to download Windows 10 (anything free I am having it)

Windows 10 worked fine for me... Be positive, be reet!

It's like Groundhog Day.

Mossop and Patrick are laughable.

Sutton 2 seasons off being ready (personally not sure he ever will be) Flower bit better.

Interesting they switched Bateman and Tomkins in the second half - Bateman was much better in the second row, he caused them all sorts of problems.

Mossop and Patrick played???

Genuinely didn't notice Patrick at all

The frustration is the players that are getting signed to improve teams mid seasons and also for next and season.

I hope the club are keeping it quiet whilst others make announcements. TL looks set to be signed given the public display tonight which is great, we however still need 2 big forwards, 2 props or a prop and a big backrow and a wing/centre utility as Charnley seems to have given up.

There's a lot of passengers in the Wigan team.
On one hand, the likes of Williams, Bateman, and Bowen must wish they could play against Leeds every week, as they walways seem to have a decent game, and on the other hand, the entire Wigan pack was rubbish, with the exception of Farrell.
I honestly think Wane needs to have a serious clear out in the forwards. There seems to be more quantity than quality in that department.

The funny thing for me is that I after tonight I actually think we will win SL beating Leeds in the final but I don't want to watch a poor team play poor rugby and be crowned champions.

It's a reflection on how poor the league is and how with a bit smarter recruitment we could comfortably dominate this league.

You got beaten by a team that had no recognised hooker on the pitch for most of the game. Calm your passion.

Yeah, if only you had some better players eh? You'd walk it...

Glad Leeds didn't get their man (Mossop) ...as seemed highly rumoured at one point.

Imagine if Leeds where as good as they are bulled up to be then they might have put 30+ points on us, to only beat a poor side by 7 points is really poor, specially when 2 of Leeds tries should never had been given

Aye, they dodged a bullet with that one, he's been none existent since coming back from his 3 game stint in the NRL

Its fair to point out that Wigan also played a large part of the game minus their hooker also .

Sinfield and Burrow were your hookers both have played internationally in that position.

The concerning thing is Wigan 3 years ago would walk this league and a shadow of that team is going to finish second and have a shot at the title.

Is it purely size though? Bateman is much smaller than all of our props, yet tends to make much more of each impact, and nearly always generates a quick play of the ball. Our props seemed to nearly always get flipped onto their back.

Having said that, Leeds have often been the one team where the forwards have turned up for in recent seasons, but not last night when they were a distant second best.

I have honestly never seen why mossop has been so hyped up previously, i just dont think hes very good. Same with crosby

We havent had a 'grafter' in the front row since coley although clubb has surprised me with how good he has been (generally) but flower seems to have lost his edge since the gf

Clubb is ok but only seems to do (too) short spells - not long enough. Flower has gone backwards - we are really in need of a hard working prop who can do long minutes - think then the likes of Flower might show up more as his game is not just a workhorse.

Sutton should have knocked Hardaker into the stands on that 2nd chance for a try.

I agree couldn't believe he didn't run over the top of him to score

Yes he should, but Hardaker showed that without doubt he is the best full-back in the comp.

I can't disagree with Charlie's assessment upthread: Bateman, Williams, Bowen and Faz very good, the rest (with a pass for Manfredi and Gelling)...

Sign of a player lacking confidence, probably because he's been dropped for the past 7 weeks for Larne Patrick.

Any other fullback and he would have, I thought it was a brilliant tackle.

If only we could combine Bateman's heart and Mossop's physique.