Thats 1 of them

And just to show this is not some kind of Clique Love in - myself & 21-12 have had many different disagreements on the whole subject (And others have on both sides of the argument not just me & him) and have different view points on the subject.

What went wrong at Hudds & other incidents was absolutely NOT done by any of the guys who've attended meetings and spent countless hours fund raising etc. irrespective of which side of the argument they now sit on.

However as I said earlier
"I've let my views be known on numerous occasions "In House" but not prepared to go over them on here because it will only lead to arguments from both sides of the fence"

It's not something that can be resolved on here and IMO any major discussion over the subject would end up causing a storm in a tea cup and give an unfair view of the whole issue.

My POV is that it would be almost impossible to resurrect in any form similar to how it started 4 years or so ago because the Link with what went wrong at the end will never be able to be broken and people with agendas will always use that Link to create difficulties with anything tried moving forward.

Because the reasons are quite personal to the people involved. That ok with you? Many people think that the hudds incident finished it, it didnt, quite a few had already dropped out at the end of last season, myself included, for other reasons.

The poor atmosphere at home games imo is down to 2 factors which I've mentioned several times:

Too many people who are ready to stick the boot in when players miss tackles or lose possessiom as opposed to backing the team.

Too many dull games in which people lose interest.

Away atmospheres are usuallyy spot on win or lose because of the type of person who attends.

Real shame about the Brigantes demise, the original concept was brilliant.

I think most fans would acknowledge the hard work that was put in to get the concept off the ground. Leading up to the end of 2011 was the best atmospheres I can remember at Wigan games, everyone bought into it. Then there was a noticeable change in 2012. So sad.

I don't think it's a discussion that will be easily forgotten and will continue to be brought up. Until things improve people will always ask the question - where did it go wrong?

There's definitely a desire to do 'something' otherwise these threads wouldn't exist. There doesn't need to be a group name, a 'brand', stickers, scarves, etc. There needs to be a dozen or so fans organised together and singing WIGAN songs. That's the (re)starting point.

ALL fans need to fill in the survey that has been e-mailed. Here is the link www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.a ... &type=news

ALL fans need to fill in the survey that has been e-mailed. Here is the link www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.a ... &type=news

One idea I can think of off the top of my head would be a designated section of the ground that fans who are interested can apply to buy a season ticket in there. This way you don't get people only coming to the big games and evrybody is able to be together wanting to do the same thing

didn't hear you lot at all apart from when you scored, used to make decent noise but was very surprised at how quiet the "18th man" was.

You lot have been quiet for 60 years...