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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I thought only Greg Burke of Wigan really showed up today.
I was disappointed with Wigans starting front row of Dudson, Tomkins and Taylor, and as you say that gave the Leigh pack dominance. They also exploited the inexperience on Wigans right edge (Burgess a winger playing centre and Manfreddi)
You mentioned the Wigan 6 & 7, but I think you're being a little harsh. Powell had to pull out through injury leaving Hampshire, normally a 6 to fill in at 7 and Carberry normally a hooker or back row to fill in at 6.
Just another point have you ever seen a game where a team has not been awarded a single penalty in the match?'"
Tomkins is far too sluggish at dummy half. It makes it so much harder for the forwards to get any sort of momentum.
Burgess at centre seemed like a daft choice. His defence is still pretty weak and they ran rings round him, while Gelling looked uncomfortable in the back row too.
Hampshire was unfortunate that he had to do the work of two players in the halves. Carberry isn't creative enough to play hooker so putting him at stand off was just crazy. Doran, Tomkins or even Connor Farrell would have at least helped provide more creativity in the halves but instead the team had virtually no chance of creating anything. Carberry defended well, but you'd never pick him as a stand off.
Still, it's not a huge surprise that the team struggled. Leigh kept it smart but simple and waited for the youngsters to make a mistake and then exploited it.
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| Quite dissapointed with the performance, when i saw the team we put out i feared we would get beat but to not even get out of the blocks was quite painful to watch, first half thomas coyle destroyed us down our right wing and second half bob beswick destroyed us all over the park, its quite ironic both of these players are ex wigan academy products, have to agree with rouges gallery only Burke muscled up today in defence and tried to create something in attack but the lad cant do it on his own, the only other player i though deserves credit was dom crosby ran hard and true, scott taylor will be lucky to make the bench this year, keep the under 19's in the unders 19's next time shaun, some good rugby from leigh in spells so take nothing away from them ! I think i need a drink after watching that one!
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| Quote ="MattyB"With regards to this 'partnership' we have with Leigh and dual registration.
Does it work both ways? i.e. If we had an injury to a first team player in a key position could we 'borrow' such a player from Leigh as cover?
With this in mind how would the Leigh fans feel if this happened? On one hand your player gets SL experience and allows him to develop, but leaves Leigh short for a number of weeks.
Their 7 had a blinder today BTW.'"
We're not in an official partnership in the same manner as Swinton/Wire, Hunslet/Leeds etc so no short term duals are allowed, only season-long loans. Under the previous system players could go in both directions, which was why Chris Rowe played in Wigan's under 18s and 20s last season even though he was our player.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I thought only Greg Burke of Wigan really showed up today.
I was disappointed with Wigans starting front row of Dudson, Tomkins and Taylor, and as you say that gave the Leigh pack dominance. They also exploited the inexperience on Wigans right edge (Burgess a winger playing centre and Manfreddi)
You mentioned the Wigan 6 & 7, but I think you're being a little harsh. Powell had to pull out through injury leaving Hampshire, normally a 6 to fill in at 7 and Carberry normally a hooker or back row to fill in at 6.
Just another point have you ever seen a game where a team has not been awarded a single penalty in the match?'"
Do we know what injury Powell pulled up with? I was looking forward to seeing him play
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| At least there is nothing wrong with our stamina seeing that we scored last.
On the match itself,in the first half Leigh made numerous breaks down their right ( Wigans left)and made the Wigan defence look poor.
In the second half Leigh just broke straight down the middle time after time.
The only players who impressed me where Hampshire,he never stopped trying to organise but with little support and Murphy for the way he took some very difficult high balls.
As for the pack,I thought the Leigh pack bullied them and none of them rearly stood out.
The last statement may have something to do with not knowing many of their names.
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| If I'd known it would be as poor as that I'd have pulled a Liam Ridgewell with my £13 why we didn't play more first teamers today is beyond me what's the point arranging 4 friendlies when only 3 have any element of first team about it, Leigh are dreaming if they think 2014 is a realistic target for Super League they were beyond poor today they must have knocked on 5 times in scoring positions, 90% of today's side won't even get a look in when it comes to the first team so why not play a blend of youth and experience using the likes of Lloyd & Gelling with Hansen, Hughes, Lauaki, Prescott, Tudon etc. I'm sorry but Thornley will not make it at Wigan he is hopeless under the high ball and countless times he forgot he had a Winger on the outside of him god help Richards if Thornley is ever his inside man. Logan will never be better than he is now he is at his limit now and why Taylor played today is beyond me it was his debut and I don't think he played much more than 20 minutes in the space of two spells on the field.
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| talk about deluded wiganrl you just made yourself look like an idiot, how can we judged on todays performance for a place in Super League 2014?????
your team you just got owned by a team that was put together for the Championship with a budget of about £300,000!!
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| I wasn't basing it solely on today but when you consider that the banner in your stand says 2014 which is 1 season away and Leigh can only put 30 on a reserve side then that to me is worrying I saw at least 5 knock ons in try scoring positions against better opposition you would have been punished for such mistakes even in the Championship. This is without bringing up the fact that Leigh still happily field Rob Parker and Stuart Littler in your starting 13 in Super League they wouldn't last 20 minutes a game as both along with various other last look out of shape Duffy & Coyle included.
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| Quote ="wiganrl"I wasn't basing it solely on today but when you consider that the banner in your stand says 2014 which is 1 season away and Leigh can only put 30 on a reserve side then that to me is worrying I saw at least 5 knock ons in try scoring positions against better opposition you would have been punished for such mistakes even in the Championship. This is without bringing up the fact that Leigh still happily field Rob Parker and Stuart Littler in your starting 13 in Super League they wouldn't last 20 minutes a game as both along with various other last look out of shape Duffy & Coyle included.'"
Typical super league pie eating blinker wearing rugby watcher. Do you really think that Leigh would have a team and setup like that in SL? With the money that you lot recieve we could be a very good SL club. Anyone who has been to the LSV would see that the whole setup is miles better than most of the SL clubs. Get a grip.
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| Quote ="wiganrl"If I'd known it would be as poor as that I'd have pulled a Liam Ridgewell with my £13 why we didn't play more first teamers today is beyond me what's the point arranging 4 friendlies when only 3 have any element of first team about it, Leigh are dreaming if they think 2014 is a realistic target for Super League they were beyond poor today they must have knocked on 5 times in scoring positions, 90% of today's side won't even get a look in when it comes to the first team so why not play a blend of youth and experience using the likes of Lloyd & Gelling with Hansen, Hughes, Lauaki, Prescott, Tudon etc. I'm sorry but Thornley will not make it at Wigan he is hopeless under the high ball and countless times he forgot he had a Winger on the outside of him god help Richards if Thornley is ever his inside man. Logan will never be better than he is now he is at his limit now and why Taylor played today is beyond me it was his debut and I don't think he played much more than 20 minutes in the space of two spells on the field.'"
Jesus wept sunshine, it was one game. We played with an inexperienced six and chopped and changed the team throughout the match. We weren't very coherent, but for a first hit out, against a very well organised and very motivated Leigh team, our lads showed up well.
We were rusty, with dropped balls, and missed opportunities but these can be worked on throughout the year. Kudos to Leigh though, they look to have a good side this year, and although unlikely, I'd love to see them in SL in 2014.
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| Quote ="TV BOY":hpj0n73tTypical super league pie eating blinker wearing rugby watcher. Do you really think that Leigh would have a team and setup like that in SL? With the money that you lot recieve we could be a very good SL club. Anyone who has been to the LSV would see that the whole setup is miles better than most of the SL clubs. Get a grip.'"
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| It's Funny TV Boy you think that purely on the money you get from Super League would make you a "very good SL Club" didn't see much of that from Widnes in 2012 and don't expect much better from 2013 with an equally decent setup. You had a 2,800 crowd and arguably 2,000 of that was Wigan fans so much so we were allocated a larger stand at an away ground for our reserve side and yet you think you'd be a very good side in SL and I'm the one that needs to get a grip.
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| Like I said you're just another blinkered SL rugby watcher.
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| Quote ="wiganrl"It's Funny TV Boy you think that purely on the money you get from Super League would make you a "very good SL Club" didn't see much of that from Widnes in 2012 and don't expect much better from 2013 with an equally decent setup. You had a 2,800 crowd and arguably 2,000 of that was Wigan fans so much so we were allocated a larger stand at an away ground for our reserve side and yet you think you'd be a very good side in SL and I'm the one that needs to get a grip.'"
I`d have said 2799 at least..........Anyway have you got school in the morning or were you that annoying t**t with the drum?
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| Quote ="wiganrl"You had a 2,800 crowd and arguably 2,000 of that was Wigan fans so much so we were allocated a larger stand at an away ground for our reserve side'"
Might want to show your calculations for that one.
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| Neither thanks just stating the fact that if Leigh or TV BOY thinks that Leigh would be a good addition to Super League 2014 then they and he is deluded when they made heavy weather of putting 30 points on a team of kids.
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| Quote ="MidlandsWarrior2"
Impressed it has dave woods commentating aswell..'"
Well it wasn't Dave Woods, but Mark Wilson who does the Wigan commentaries on Wish FM.
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| Disprove me Leyther_Matt you know that there was less than 1,000 Leigh fans WAY less.
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| Quote ="wiganrl"Neither thanks just stating the fact that if Leigh or TV BOY thinks that Leigh would be a good addition to Super League 2014 then they and he is deluded when they made heavy weather of putting 30 points on a team of kids.'"
Ok
I really need to up my cardio-vascular activity after reading that.......... and breathe.
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| Quote ="wiganrl"Disprove me Leyther_Matt you know that there was less than 1,000 Leigh fans WAY less.'"
There was comfortably 1,000 in the North Stand alone. I sat at the northerly end of the West Stand which was pretty busy with only a handful of Wigan fans as far as I could see. Can't comment on how many Wigan fans were at the other end of the West but as that half of the stand only holds c1,700 it must have been a bit of a squash if you had 2,000 there?!
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| Quote ="Leyther_Matt"There was comfortably 1,000 in the North Stand alone. I sat at the northerly end of the West Stand which was pretty busy with only a handful of Wigan fans as far as I could see. Can't comment on how many Wigan fans were at the other end of the West but as that half of the stand only holds c1,700 it must have been a bit of a squash if you had 2,000 there?!'"
All us Wigan fans were directed to the south end of the stand afaik.
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| From the stand that I was sat in I saw 2 Leigh fans from the moment I went through the turnstiles to when I left and the the end stand I saw a stand that was at best 20% full which would make less than 1,000 for the entire time I was there I'd struggle to say I saw 800 Leigh fans today.
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| You are being just plain silly.
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| Wigan took around 1000 today. The majority of which were in the RHS of the West stand. The LHS was made up of Leigh (I know as I had moved from there to be sat with some friends instead). Even on the RHS there was a decent spattering of Leythers, so I'm not sure where this 800 of them has come from??
Bearing in mind they had a good number on the terracing too!
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| Nothing is decided in January! Arguably the best side in the Championship over the past few years has been Halifax and they're having similar discussions on their forum about how poorly they are looking in pre-season!
Now I don't know why fans expect players to be at their best in January but they've just been concentrating on fitness so ball skills and moves will take a few weeks to tinker with. Also considering it was a mix of first team and predominantly youngsters for both sides it shouldn't be taken any other way than a little money spinner for the club chairman and a bit of a hit out for the squad players.
Next week I think there will be more Wigan and HKR first teamers than there were today but again it will be most of their first hit outs of the season where cob webs will be blown off and moves practiced in a higher intensity game than they get in training. Thins will go wrong but that is what these games are about for a coach so he can get it right in the weeks coming up to the start of the season.
Hope to see plenty of you making your way over to Craven Park next week, should be a decent crowd for a friendly and probably back to the good old days of sharing the East Stand with opposition supporters!
Safe journey!
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