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| Quote ="Fevxr2i"Gingdong - dont you think our players have earned the right to play against the best? We managed to beat cas and its at least 3 overseas players
If the best is a team full of overseas players then so be it
Personally i hope you bring as many overseas players as possible it will be an honour to potentially see so many good players gracing our pitch
Id feel a tinge of disappointment if some players listed above were rested although still expecting a quality team regardless'"
No i think all teams should play to the same rules in the same cup competition
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"The day the cup needs to start giving handicaps, splitting in to a two tier comp or brings in a rule where overseas players are limited is the day we should just knock it on the head all together. The reality is it's tough work for these championship clubs to compete and shocks will only ever come from the top 2 or 3 clubs but rather that then watering it down or bringing in betting coupon style handicaps.
If I were a Featherstone fan or a Barrow fan or a north Wales crusaders fan etc I'd be made up drawing a big club. Would I think we were going to win the game? Probably not but it brings exposure to my club and brings in income. Do we think sky would touch these cup ties if we started to ban some of the best and most exciting players playing in them?
I'd just be looking forward mainly to watching players like Sam Tomkins, Thomas Leuluai, Sean O'Loughlin, Jeff Lima etc in the flesh because they're top quality and Fev can improve by playing against them.'"
Its already handicapped your allowed 5 overseas players and us 1
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| And CC teams budget has been cut that much this year we rely on DR players, then we can't play them.
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| Quote ="Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy"No need, Sam will probably win it on his own.'"
Heroic Fev give mighty Wigan a scare
Featherstone 24 - 36 Wigan
by Phil WalkInSonItsaShop
Wigan were runaway favourites for this one but heroic Featherstone gave their Super league opponents one mighty scare before the Warriors could get their name in the hat for the next round of the Challenge Cup.
Only a second-half 36-point comeback secured the win for the Warriors, who fielded only Sam Tomkins to make the game fairer for their lower league opposition.
Tomkins said: "I want to apologise to the Wigan fans for the first half. But once my team coach was fixed and I was able to get off the motorway and to the stadium for the second half things were looking up."
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| Quote ="gingdong"No i think all teams should play to the same rules in the same cup competition'"
In that case, why don't we also make a rule only allowing SL teams to field a team of the same value to their Championship opponents? Forget the nationality issue. If Wigan can't field Hock, Tomkins, Mossop, Farrell etc, then you'll have a real chance.
In fact, why don't we go the whole hog and prevent the SL side from training in their own expensively-built faciltiies in the weeks leading up to the game? Why don't we make them train on a local school pitch?
Why don't we also deprive them of all SL-standard training staff, including head-coach, conditioner, etc?
Why don't we pour twenty pints of ale down their gullets the night before, and make them eat fish and chips and MacDonalds all week? Then we'll have a really, really level playing field.
Do you really want to go on with this?
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| Quote ="gingdong"No i think all teams should play to the same rules in the same cup competition'"
I didn't see you lot offering not to play your full time players and ex SL players against Hunslet Old Boys when you were quite happy to put 86 past them.
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| So... Fev play in a league which has a different overseas player rule from the SL and some of their fans want to impose that rule on Wigan as a SL team...?
Does that mean we have to cut our players' pay the week before the game down to what we would pay them if they were subject to the SC that applies to Fev?
Nonsense.
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| Quote ="Big Man"I didn't see you lot offering not to play your full time players and ex SL players against Hunslet Old Boys when you were quite happy to put 86 past them.'"
Excellent point.
If they were playing amateurs then presumably Featherstone's players didn't get a match fee, salary that week or other payment for their services - that would be fair.
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| Quote ="Big Man"I didn't see you lot offering not to play your full time players and ex SL players against Hunslet Old Boys when you were quite happy to put 86 past them.'"
But they played the game UNDER THE SAME RULES.
Quote ="Cruncher"Quote ="gingdong"No i think all teams should play to the same rules in the same cup competition'"
In that case, why don't we also make a rule only allowing SL teams to field a team of the same value to their Championship opponents? Forget the nationality issue. If Wigan can't field Hock, Tomkins, Mossop, Farrell etc, then you'll have a real chance.
In fact, why don't we go the whole hog and prevent the SL side from training in their own expensively-built faciltiies in the weeks leading up to the game? Why don't we make them train on a local school pitch?
Why don't we also deprive them of all SL-standard training staff, including head-coach, conditioner, etc?
Why don't we pour twenty pints of ale down their gullets the night before, and make them eat fish and chips and MacDonalds all week? Then we'll have a really, really level playing field.
Do you really want to go on with this?'"
Because none of this is the point people are making.
Because it is a legitimate point people are making, the only argument people can find is to be facetious.
Make a proper argument against it and behave like an adult or don't bother or you will carry on making yourself look stupid.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"In that case, why don't we also make a rule only allowing SL teams to field a team of the same value to their Championship opponents? Forget the nationality issue. If Wigan can't field Hock, Tomkins, Mossop, Farrell etc, then you'll have a real chance.
In fact, why don't we go the whole hog and prevent the SL side from training in their own expensively-built faciltiies in the weeks leading up to the game? Why don't we make them train on a local school pitch?
Why don't we also deprive them of all SL-standard training staff, including head-coach, conditioner, etc?
Why don't we pour twenty pints of ale down their gullets the night before, and make them eat fish and chips and MacDonalds all week? Then we'll have a really, really level playing field.
Do you really want to go on with this?'"
No just the same rules on overseas players, you already have all the advantages under the sun do you want us to play with 1 arm tied behind our backs as well. Were allowed 1 you 5 its plain wrong
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| Quote ="gingdong"No just the same rules on overseas players, you already have all the advantages under the sun do you want us to play with 1 arm tied behind our backs as well. Were allowed 1 you 5 its plain wrong'"
The day your team withdraws all its professionals when you play a bunch of amateurs in the Cup is the day you can lecture us.
If you actually did that, I applaud you. If you didn't, the conversation appears to be over.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"The day your team withdraws all its professionals when you play a bunch of amateurs in the Cup is the day you can lecture us.
If you actually did that, I applaud you. If you didn't, the conversation appears to be over.'"
No it doesn't. That's not for you to decide.
How can a team withdraw all of it's professionals when they play an amateur team? They wouldn't have any players.
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| Quote ="Big Man"I didn't see you lot offering not to play your full time players and ex SL players against Hunslet Old Boys when you were quite happy to put 86 past them.'"
There is nothing in the rules stopping Old Boys playing full time pros though is there, there is however a rule that says we can only play 1 overseas player
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| Quote ="jonny the leyther"No it doesn't. That's not for you to decide.
How can a team withdraw all of it's professionals when they play an amateur team? They wouldn't have any players.'"
Were talking to dummys m8 i wouldnt bother they just dont get it
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| Quote ="gingdong"There is nothing in the rules stopping Old Boys playing full time pros though is there, there is however a rule that says we can only play 1 overseas player'"
I thought so. The conversation's over.
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| This thread is living proof that there's no point arguing with idiots. They just drag you down to their level and experience wins out.
Boo bloody hoo. Super League teams have an unfair advantage, its not fair. Life isn't fair, but instead of crying about it just get on with it. Is not as if a club outside of Super League is going to win the comp anyway so trying to dictate team selection is pointless and embarrassing.
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| Quote ="gingdong"Were talking to dummys m8 i wouldnt bother they just dont get it'"
Gingdong are you speaking for all the Fev supporters,or do you all use the same user name.
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| Quote ="WIGAN FOREVER"not as if a club outside of Super League is going to win the comp anyway'"
I know a certain Yorkshire club were in the top flight at the time, but if this isn't tempting fate !?!
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| Quote ="WIGAN FOREVER"This thread is living proof that there's no point arguing with idiots. They just drag you down to their level and experience wins out.
Boo bloody hoo. Super League teams have an unfair advantage, its not fair. Life isn't fair, but instead of crying about it just get on with it. Is not as if a club outside of Super League is going to win the comp anyway so trying to dictate team selection is pointless and embarrassing.'"
Well done gingdong!
You win!
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| Quote ="gingdong"No i think all teams should play to the same rules in the same cup competition'"
So why did we not hear one single word from you prior to the Cas game about this subject? What has changed?
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| Quote ="stillinthepast"Gingdong are you speaking for all the Fev supporters,or do you all use the same user name.
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Not me
Bring as many as possible!
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| Quote ="Big Man"So why did we not hear one single word from you prior to the Cas game about this subject? What has changed?'"
I'm argueing too, and I raised exactly the same point last year. In fact, I did an article for Drop Goal Rugby League on it. justarugbyfan published it for me.
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| Quote ="jonny the leyther"I'm argueing too, and I raised exactly the same point last year. In fact, I did an article for Drop Goal Rugby League on it. justarugbyfan published it for me.'"
But seriously though, if your trying to claim that it's only the 5 overseas players instead of 1 that's the big advantage, not the fact that the salary cap is so much bigger, I'm failing to see how your argument could be taken seriously?
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| how about we go back to 1895...... It aint going to happen, it's called progression and the lower level clubs should aspire to improve. The cup shouldn't be dumbed down to the level of the weakest in it. Some of the lower league teams get their own "wembley" if they get to the 4th round and get drawn against the so called glamour clubs from superleague. it is a day for their players and fans to cherish.....
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| Quote ="inside_man"But seriously though, if your trying to claim that it's only the 5 overseas players instead of 1 that's the big advantage, not the fact that the salary cap is so much bigger, I'm failing to see how your argument could be taken seriously?'"
Surely it's better than the rumoured 'handicap' system?
If you were a fan of a smaller club then maybe you'd realise how important the Challenge Cup is in the early rounds. If we upset a Super League club and get a payday in the last 16 or the quarters it could be the difference between a profit and loss at the end of the year financially.
And yes, I know it would make a difference, for example, Leigh played Catalans last year and ran them extremely close, would we have won that game if they could only play one of their overseas players, in my opinion yes.
Did a lot of fans not turn up because they thought it would be a massacre, yes.
Would they have turned up if we had a fighting chance, yes.
Did the fans know we wern't going to win the cup, yes.
Are Wigan fans the most spoiled, blinkered and narrow minded in the game, yes.
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