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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"There's another player who get's little praise on here but is obviously highly rated by every coach we've had as he starts most games, Harrison Hansen.
A real grafter who does more than his share of work in attack and defense and makes very few errors, plus is very well disciplined in his play.'"
Always seems to be the way doesn't it with player like H. Because they're seldom flashy, their importance to the team is often overlooked. Wasn't Hansen the 'hitman of the year' a couple of season ago?
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| None of the above.
For me I do not believe any of the players mentioned are vital to the team, we are in the fortunate position of having quality throughout the squad.
Sam - no doubt a flair player but in some games at the back end of last season did little and Wigan still won.
Pat - goal kicking aside is not vital to the team others can and have done well in his position (GF anyone?)
Lockers - again we have replacements
last season was the first time in a long time that Wigan looked like a team - not over reliant on any one player. Also with the players in the squad and the coaching now we can play in various ways - flair or grinding out results.
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| I worried a little last year that if we were to lose Lockers for any considerable amount of time what a detrimental effect it would have on the team. But having seen what a good player Farrel is I honestly feel he'd be a superb replacement for Lockers if Sean were to get injured.
My pick would be Tommy as being the biggest miss, however I feel we could play most of the teams in SL next year without a couple of key players such as Tommy and Lockers, and still win because of our strength in depth. We'd only really miss them in the big games such and Wire and Saints.
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| If you don't have Tomkins you'd find it hard to repeat as champions. Richards would be a huge loss but you'd cope.
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| Hansen? Actually overrated to be in our team. Someone who I imagine to start falling to the waste side.
People go on about how he's a unsung hero when there are many players better in the same position. Going forward he hardly breaks the line, in def he is strong but so are the other players in the same position.
Tomkins, Lockers, Hoffman, Farrell (awesome workrate) Hock are all better than Hansen. I also expect Mossop to soon eclipse Hansen if he remains injury free.
Beef him up and have him as a work horse prop.
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Hansen? Actually overrated to be in our team. Someone who I imagine to start falling to the waste side.
People go on about how he's a unsung hero when there are many players better in the same position. Going forward he hardly breaks the line, in def he is strong but so are the other players in the same position.
Tomkins, Lockers, Hoffman, Farrell (awesome workrate) Hock are all better than Hansen. I also expect Mossop to soon eclipse Hansen if he remains injury free.
Beef him up and have him as a work horse prop.'"
This is probably true. What a wonderful position to be in!
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"=#FF4000Hansen? Actually overrated to be in our team. Someone who I imagine to start falling to the waste side.
People go on about how he's a unsung hero when there are many players better in the same position. Going forward he hardly breaks the line, in def he is strong but so are the other players in the same position.
Tomkins, Lockers, Hoffman, Farrell (awesome workrate) Hock are all better than Hansen. I also expect Mossop to soon eclipse Hansen if he remains injury free.
Beef him up and have him as a work horse prop.'"
Over rated by whom?
Madge and Wane apparently don't think so and neither did Noble. He would be in before Joel Tomkins IMO.
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| Would we miss Madge more than a player? I think so.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"=#FF4000Hansen? Actually overrated to be in our team. Someone who I imagine to start falling to the waste side.
People go on about how he's a unsung hero when there are many players better in the same position. Going forward he hardly breaks the line, in def he is strong but so are the other players in the same position.
Tomkins, Lockers, Hoffman, Farrell (awesome workrate) Hock are all better than Hansen. I also expect Mossop to soon eclipse Hansen if he remains injury free.
Beef him up and have him as a work horse prop.'"
Over rated by whom?
Madge and Wane apparently don't think so and neither did Noble. He would be in before Joel Tomkins IMO.'"
Clearly by people in here who mention him when discussing which players are our best. Which lead to my point that not only is Hansen overrated to be mentioned in this light but he isn't even the best, 2nd or 3rd in his position.
Remove him from the team next year and there will be no drop in performance.
Look at our other players in the SR.
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| I agree with regards to Hansen. I think he is a good player and does do a solid job for Wigan but as listed by Last Son of Wigan, there are a number of players better than him.
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| Thats the thing - we're not a one man team!
I remember back in the days when i dreaded the days Trent Barrett was injured or suspended - the change now!
We've had numerous injuries, in the 2nd row department paticulary, this year but our youngsters have stepped up and filled the shoes!
At the start of this year when Amos got injured - we thought we were doomed as our 1 man team had gone down the drain - but no, step up goulding, tomkins, veivers and so on!
Brilllliiiiiant
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| I don't think we have one outstanding individual. Pat was MOS but we played without him for over half of the GF and still won it without breaking sweat. Sam is one of our better players but he isn't absolutely pivotal. We have 5 or 6 outstanding players of all roughly the same level but i wouldn't say any player is 'head & shoulders' above the rest.
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| I think we now have what it takes to become a dominant side. Depth, a well balanced squad, a good mixture of youth and experience, star players, squad men, a good ethos and a great coach with a good backing from the likes of Wane, Radz and Deacon, all Wiganers to boot.
It's a great time to be a Wigan fan...
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Hansen? Actually overrated to be in our team. Someone who I imagine to start falling to the waste side.
People go on about how he's a unsung hero when there are many players better in the same position. Going forward he hardly breaks the line, in def he is strong but so are the other players in the same position.
Tomkins, Lockers, Hoffman, Farrell (awesome workrate) Hock are all better than Hansen. I also expect Mossop to soon eclipse Hansen if he remains injury free.
Beef him up and have him as a work horse prop.'"
Hansen's game came on a couple of notches last season imo and he finally fufilled his potential as a top class backrower. I thought he had an outstanding season and played a huge part in our success.
Him making a sooner then expected recovery from a shoulder knock to play in the play offs was a massive boost for the side. The Hansen of pre 2010 i'd agree could have been seen as over-rated and a chance of falling down the pecking order but not the new Hansen imo.
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| Quote ="DannyRic"Thats the thing - we're not a one man team!
I remember back in the days when i dreaded the days Trent Barrett was injured or suspended - the change now!
We've had numerous injuries, in the 2nd row department paticulary, this year but our youngsters have stepped up and filled the shoes!
At the start of this year when Amos got injured - we thought we were doomed as our 1 man team had gone down the drain - but no, step up goulding, tomkins, veivers and so on!
Brilllliiiiiant'"
Vievers? He didn't play a single first team game and then signed for Wakefield, I don't see how that's stepping up.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Vievers?
He didn't play a single first team game and then signed for Wakefield, I don't see how that's stepping up.'"
I wondered about that, thought i'd missed him having a storming run at FB for the first team.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Vievers?
He didn't play a single first team game and then signed for Wakefield, I don't see how that's stepping up.'"
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Hansen's game came on a couple of notches last season imo and he finally fufilled his potential as a top class backrower. I thought he had an outstanding season and played a huge part in our success.
Him making a sooner then expected recovery from a shoulder knock to play in the play offs was a massive boost for the side. The Hansen of pre 2010 i'd agree could have been seen as over-rated and a chance of falling down the pecking order but not the new Hansen imo.'"
Well it's all down to opinion, and I respect everyones. Personally I think words and phrases like 'top class' and 'outstanding' put Hansen in the overrated bracket.
I put the likes of Ellis Thiday, Burgess, Luke Lewis Mannering in that bracket, and Hansen isn't a patch on them.
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Well it's all down to opinion, and I respect everyones. Personally I think words and phrases like 'top class' and 'outstanding' put Hansen in the overrated bracket.
I put the likes of Ellis Thiday, Burgess, Luke Lewis Mannering in that bracket, and Hansen isn't a patch on them.'"
And to think that Luke Lewis started out life on the wing!
Very good player indeed.
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| Quote ="dany1979"And to think that Luke Lewis started out life on the wing!
Very good player indeed.'"
Like a certain Mr Hanley
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Well it's all down to opinion, and I respect everyones. Personally I think words and phrases like 'top class' and 'outstanding' put Hansen in the overrated bracket.
I put the likes of Ellis Thiday, Burgess, Luke Lewis Mannering in that bracket, and Hansen isn't a patch on them.'"
But if you were to say Hansen was average he'd be underrated, imo.
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| Quote ="Dei Morti Viventi"But if you were to say Hansen was average he'd be underrated, imo.
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I'd ask anyone to watch the season review and then comment on Hansen, his 2010 season was by far his best and the improvement has been huge.
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| Quote ="{Hogan}"I'd ask anyone to watch the season review and then comment on Hansen, his 2010 season was by far his best and the improvement has been huge.'"
is that dvd out yet?..........not on the online store.........but im going into town in a few minutes..........warriors worlds out of my way, but ill detour if its out.
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| Hansens try at Leeds was awesome.
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| Quote ="wigan pie man"is that dvd out yet?..........not on the online store.........but im going into town in a few minutes..........warriors worlds out of my way, but ill detour if its out.'"
It was out well before Christmas.
However after saying that, it doesn't seem to be on the online store at the moment, even though there's a picture of it in the "Accessories" section.
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