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Who's better then?? Sinfield, purdam, Flannery, westerman,??
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Name one better?
Sinfield - hugely overrated in a good team, less breaks, tackles, tries and try assists than Lockers.
Wilkin - more inconsistent - doesn't have the creative responsibility of Lockers instead feeding off others - better in terms of breaks and tries, poorer in all others facets of the game.
Purdham - if fit, the only likely contender - poor season statistically (no tries, no assists).
Westerman - not in Lockers class yet in any aspect.
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| Quote ="DaveO"I agree but it is crap isn't it? I was shocked how poor Quins were on Friday. The old "standard of SL" thread springs to mind.
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I prefere to look at it from the other side of things.
The past few years we have had a weak and poor quins team, who never got in the top 6, and won the odd game to stay up. Surely a club that couldn't have a winning culture.
However this year they started very well, and are in the position they are in because of that good start. So what if they have fallen of the horse at the end? It will take time for them to become a team that can challenge for the top 3/4.
Surely that, coupled with the great start for Cas, KR and others show that these clubs are moving in the right direction on the field??
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| It would be better for the Club to finish outside the playoffs, as a loss of revenue through dwindling season ticket sales would make IL sit up and take notice, he is a business man and a tight one at that, unlike DW he won't flash the cash, losing large amounts of money on the gates would spur ihim into action IMO, and a serious reshuffle of the team/back room stuff would be just the ticket
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| Quote ="DaveO"I agree but it is crap isn't it? I was shocked how poor Quins were on Friday. The old "standard of SL" thread springs to mind.
Depends what you mean by that. Does shaking the competition up mean being the best of a very poor lot (Us, Hull KR, Quins, Wakey and Hudds) or actually beating Leeds or Saints in the play offs to at least get to the GF?
As far as I am concerned playing 2nd fiddle to Leeds and Saints does not equate to shaking this competition up.
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I do not think quins were poor at all especially second half, they clearly had their game plan bang on second half but we had the extra man.
By saying that I do think we will beat either Leeds or Saints.
The higher up the table we get, the more confident I will be as we will have momentum, if we won most of our games and finished 3rd or 4th then I am confident we could go to saints or leeds and win getting us through to week 3. I don't think this new play-off system will end up with a leeds v saints final and if there is one team that could do it from outside the top 2 it's us, no matter how poor we have been all season.
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Name a better one or where you just passing through?
Without McIllorum & Lockers we have got a helluva job on, Tommy & Riddell and other senior pros like Roberts & Fielden really need to step up, there were signs of it on Friday, I hope that continues into the Catalan game which is another its important we win.
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| Ellis can play 13 and is better than O'L.
But you're right, he is one of the best.
I personally think it will be a struggle for you guys to overtake us (Wire), if you do you'll beat us to 4th, think we're both a little behind to catch 3rd, maybe one or two games too far.
What im interested in, and this links to the cup as well as the rest of the year, is do you guys think you have a better team than Warrington? Im a Wire fan so slightly biased, but sometimes I see you and you're freakin terrible but for some reason in a playoff game or the semi of 04 you can turn it on. I personally think 1-17 we're better though imho
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| Quote ="Dico"Ellis can play 13 and is better than O'L.
But you're right, he is one of the best.
I personally think it will be a struggle for you guys to overtake us (Wire), if you do you'll beat us to 4th, think we're both a little behind to catch 3rd, maybe one or two games too far.
What im interested in, and this links to the cup as well as the rest of the year, is do you guys think you have a better team than Warrington? Im a Wire fan so slightly biased, but sometimes I see you and you're freakin terrible but for some reason in a playoff game or the semi of 04 you can turn it on. I personally think 1-17 we're better though imho'"
On paper does not really matter, we are not the 4rd best team at all yet we have finished 3rd for the last 2 years.
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| Thats what worries me regarding you guys.
I wouldnt exactly say you finished 3rd, i know thats the prize money you will have received and everything but i still say league position is a better indication of where you are at over a year.
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| Quote ="Dico"Thats what worries me regarding you guys.
I wouldnt exactly say you finished 3rd, i know thats the prize money you will have received and everything but i still say league position is a better indication of where you are at over a year.'"
We peaked at the right time both years and ended up third. No on would say that if they finished 6th and won the grand final, oh well the league position is a better indication.
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| Quote ="WarriorSteve"Who's better then?? Sinfield, purdam, Flannery, westerman,??'" Sinfield is so much better than lockers it's daft but non of you lot are ever gonna have that!! And I don't expect you to.
If I had to sign one of them I would take westerman over lockers any day
ellis Is much better in the backrow or at lock!!
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"Sinfield is so much better than lockers it's daft but non of you lot are ever gonna have that!! And I don't expect you to.
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But at the game's highest level - International rugby - O'ls performances have truly been so much better it's daft.
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"Sinfield is so much better than lockers it's daft but non of you lot are ever gonna have that!! And I don't expect you to.
If I had to sign one of them I would take westerman over lockers any day
ellis Is much better in the backrow or at lock!!'" Quality
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| Quote ="Supersaint"Doesn't matter where you finish this year as long as your in the 8'"
It does if your in the top four and you lose the first game you get a second chance in the playoffs
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| Quote ="Wire_85"It does if your in the top four and you lose the first game you get a second chance in the playoffs'"
As I have said on multilple occasions, I would rather sneak 8th on a good run than finish 4th on a bad one.
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"As I have said on multilple occasions, I would rather sneak 8th on a good run than finish 4th on a bad one.'"
Thing is though to finish in the 3rd or 4th this season with how tight it is, your going to have to be on a good run.
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| Quote ="Wire_85"Thing is though to finish in the 3rd or 4th this season with how tight it is, your going to have to be on a good run.'"
don't talk sense to BK, it'll confuse him!!!
[size=59only joking bk!![/size
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