Gleeson is an improvement on what you've got so you should be happy even if he never recaptures his GB/Saints/Wire first season form.

Mathers is an improvement on what Wire have got ( in the way of fullbacks given Reardon's likely dismissal shortly ) so Wire should be happy even if he never recovers his Leeds/NRL/pre-Wigan form.

That can't be the only reason there so Bad is it!



Just for DaveO here goes! Maybe it was because they signed Higham!

To repeat what I stated elsewhere, Wire have been poor so far this season, no doubt, leaving us so far a massive two points behind the no-doubt brilliant as ever Pies.

Who have just signed one of the best centres in the league and Warrington have just lost one of the best centres in the league while gaining the services of the worst fullback I have ever seen at fullback. Mighty Max could do a better job.

You have got Mathers now to pull you out of the Mire, good luck

Glesson is a class centre and adding him to Wigan's backline will improve it considerably. Now you have a backline that will trouble all the Super League sides if your style of play changes and you open up more as a team and stop the 5 drives and kick which is quite frankly a boring way to play rugby. At least you have your backline sorted now. Once Feka has lost weight and gets back to the weight he was playing in the NRL, Fielden needs a rocket up his to get him firing again and as for Coley you need to get shut all together. Once the forwards are sorted out you will have a team to be reckoned with thats for sure.

I'm still struggling with this 5 drives and a kick that we're supposed to be playing.

The vast majority of our tries this season have been scored by wingers and centres. I'm sure Bilko will confirm it.

Yesterday, Ainscough 4, Carmont 1, Pryce 1 and Sam 1.

I think you may win the league now after signing gleeson...

What the league thats starts at 3rd place

Nah, I think the Mathers factor will swing it for Wires !!!!!!!

Saints didn't get rid of Gleeson because they needed cash.

Nope, they can't. There isn't one player alive who could provide us with a complete transformation.

However, we couldn't have signed many better threequarters IMO.

A team is a jigsaw and we have just put in a very good piece.

There is a risk of that because if we continue to to play as we have Gleeson won't make that much of an impact.

Despite having a very impressive looking back line most posters on here know enough about the game know if the pack is getting battered you are stuffed. Unfortunately we may have one of the best back lines in the league but we are way down the pecking order when it comes to the pack.

So it depends if we end up not much better than now results-wise with Gleeson on board if people are prepared to write another season off and wait for some new forwards to be signed whether or not the pressure increases on Noble.

Dave

That's not actually true.

I actually liked him. He is a very good defender, and second to none in putting his wingers over the line.

He never let us down, but unfortunately plenty of Wire fans didn't like him as they often saw him drunk and his attitude didn't really endear him to fans. I think many expected too much from him, and expected him to win games single-handedly, which doesn't happen from 3 nowadays.

I'm sorry to see him go, and think Wigan have got a very very good player, although am happy with the Wire press release on this, but to state that he never got stick until now is just miles off the mark.

Bang on with your first post - but signing people like Bailey, Riddell and Roberts isn't really building for the future? and is Nobby the man to do it? Remember - he did not build Bratfut - Ellliot and Smith did.

It amy take a few lean years of panning but Wigan do produce good quality players who just need time...and maybe a better coach?

Why is it that some people knock a signing before he even debuts?

Gleeson is one step in a long journey to correct the positional problems at Wigan - and a very very good step too.

Well said.


Now a prop forward please ( or 2 if possible ).

I now have faith in IL that he will have spotted that Fielden and Coley simply aren't cutting the mustard and 2 props are needed!

If he can spot that he should also spot that Tommy is miles better at 9 so a general SH is also needed

Or move Sam to 7 and get a class stand off !!

As long as he's class he'll do

It's not upto IL though is it? Coley granted is poor but IMO Fielden is sometimes unfairly criticised. Agreed he isn't his former self but he's solid both in attack and defence IMO, doesn't do it spectacularly and doesn't get credit for it. People only seem to pick up on his weak points and use Fielden as a scapegoat as to why our pack isn't upto it.

Controversial but IMO Feka is the problem. He makes one maybe two good runs and makes some yards, but what else? Naff all in defence and 10minutes a time on the pitch. And some people think thats good enough? Skerret, Wane, O'Connor etc etc would p*ss all over him! Get him fit or get rid.

Lynch and/or Kylie Leulaui would beef our pack alot and would both be terrific signings if either or both (as rumoured) comes off.

Saints got rid of him for disciplinary reasons.

And yet not Sean Long...

They made an example of him and it was either him or Sean Long and when Wire came in with the cash offer they accepted.

Wire have got rid of him because he doesn't have the desire to play for the club anymore apparently and also they are in need of some cash to pay the taxes they owe.

I can't go into details, but it wasn't because of the betting. I'll leave it at that.

Gleeson is a quality player, but you're a fool if you think he doesn't have a big social life.

Well until I see hard evidence to back it up then I will just treat it as a rumour and nothing more.

At the end of the day he has always produced for Warrington. Whether that be Fa'afilli , Hicks or Riley and if he can replicate that on the field for Wigan then I am not bothered.