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Even without him them I think he is one of our best players and our only backrower who can make something from nothing

I read what you posted and it's poop. Critisism at most of the team, many of who play at the international level and yet, are in your eyes average at best. I'm not sure how a player would get to prove themselves at a higher level than international. These are the same players that managed to get to the grand final semi last year.

Hock's non-try is symbolic of a player going for glory when playing against a well beaten team. I would suspect that if the game was close Hock would have made the pass rather than going for a long range try of his own.

The point is about overrating.

Hock isn't world class, he makes too many mistakes, however, he is our best backrower..

Correct!
If Gareth Hock is our Biggest problem we must have a team of World Beaters!

Was unlucky with a couple of Ball steals 1st half and the Pass from Tommy wasn't a great one.
2nd half the Gaz Hock of 12 months ago would have been sent off but he Kept his aggression in control (Mostly) and Yes did give 2 silly balls away!
But I'd rather he did that than take another dead drive in without attempting something when were 20 points down at the time!

His aggression alone would put in my team every week as without him we are seriously lacking in that department and IMHO would be 1 of the first 3 names on my team sheet every week.

PS

After watching the game back on TV I liked Carney's comments post game, I agree, there are enough good signs at Wigan to make me think that no-one should write us off just yet.

When has he made too many mistakes?

And also Hock isn't overrated.

Agression is something we are lacking IMO

I know its not exactly a trait you want a player to have but how many of our squad apart from Hock would have the b@lls to throw a punch (nevermind the first punch)

Are you joking?

Do you think Hock is mistake free? Do you think he doesn't give the ball away with silly offloads? Do you think he doesn't knock on? Do you thinkhe has the composure to know when to pass and when not to?

I think he is a quality player, but can't be world class with such errors still in his game!

So your an advocate of the boring non-offloading and non-passing style of play? Take no risks and make no mistakes?

Oh come on. Are you saying there is no difference between boring play and having the composure to know when and when not to offload? Was Hanley a boring player? No, and he is an example of someone who had the insight to know when and when not to offload.

Talk about dillusion......have a word with yourself....players like watmough, stewart, laffranchi, ellis....all ten times the player hock is or is ever likely to be....hock comes nowhere close to the sort of second row play of all of these players. thats not even to mention players like fitzgibon, wilkin who although not world class are far superior to hock.

its almost laughable how much some wigan fans build hock up......you make us the laughin stock of all the other teams in the league....it makes us sound nearly as bad as the wire fans who reconed lee briers was better than trent barrett

I never said he was mistake free but so far this season he has made the same amount of mistakes as any other player in the team. As I said before over the past few seasons he doesnt make as many silly offloads as he used to. If they come off he's world class if they dont he's overrated?

It sounds like your saying that if he wasn't world class then he wouldnt make any mistakes at all. I never said he was world class as this was proven at the WC, but he is an awesome player and on his day is one of the best in SL.

Show me a player who is??????

BTW According to the stats, 1st five games 3 handling errors and 1 penalty against!

I'll take that any day of the week!

Someone with a bit of common sense and an honest eye, well said fella!

Are any players mistake free?
Do any players not knock on?

Did I read that correctly??

Wilkin is far superior than Gareth Hock

Some people on here need to comment without the pedantic remarks.

If asking do others players knock on an argument for Hock you're lost.

It is not just Wigan fans. The neutrals, pundits, journalists and other fans recognise Hock as one of the best second row forwards in super league and one of the best in the British game.

Are they all wrong too?

And remember we're the clueless ones

i like hock, how many times does he offload in a tackle and the player nearest him is looking the other way? he run's it in hard, can step, make's brake's and is good in defence generally. i do think he is better off the bench though

Why has this become all about Hock?

Wilkin and Fitzgibbon far superior to Hock.

Hock's ability and continual attemps to offload mean that he constantly draws 4-5 tacklers making gaps for those he offloads to. On friday he was playing a high risk game, but then how would Wigan have pulled back the score without doing so? Against Bradford there were not many mistakes.

Didn't Hanley play in a dominant team, like Saints of a couple of years ago who could throw the ball about and make mistakes but still win? Hock playing in a beaten team trying everything he could to pull back some points.

That I would agree with. In the next game I would love to see a bench of...

Hock
O'Carroll
Feka
McIlorum/Tomkins