Hock should have never been MOM last week..........he should have lost any claim when he didnt use pat and sam on the outside when we broke, only to throw another n0b head offload, for us to lose the ball again!!!!

Even in his so called good games, he does imbicilic things like this that will forever mean he will never be the top class international player that so many people on here seemingly delude themselves into believing!!! Can you imagine farrell or betts doing something like that?!!?!?! NO.....exactly!

Sadly hock is just too stupid to ever reach anything like international potential....the sooner we all realise that and realise he is a poor-average super league player the better

Hes also the biggest liability in our team, a liability we can ill afford

You're clearly a part of a minority who has this opinion.

The majority of people including club & international coaches and those involved with the game as well supporters completely disagree with you.

I suggest for you to watch his game with more concentration and effort.

People appreciate that he makes mistakes, but he matches them and more with brilliant Rugby League play. If he didn't then he wouldn't be playing first team and international Rugby League whilst getting many man of the match awards in the process.

Sadly the brilliant attacking play doesnt make up for his numerous brain explosions which result in lost ball / penalties and knock ons and often lose us games.

If he had a brain he would be a dangerous player granted....but lets be honest, he doesnt!!! there is no sort of risk assessment in his play.

Anyone can run hard at the line and throw the ball anywhere ...sometimes it will make you look class / others make you look a fool (look at danny sculthorpe...a player very like hock in that respect/ except his ball retention was probably slightly better and he wasnt a penalty machine).

IMO hock if anything just about breaks even on his mistakes which gift trys to scoring ratio...and as such what is the point?!?! whatever he does well he negates by throwing silly balls, knocking on, running in with loose carries and giving away penalties!! yet wigan fans, in our despiration to find our next W class player- cling on to what he does well while all to often forget his shortcomings!!

The only way you will ever get a world class gaz hock is by a successful brain transplant!!! he simply lacks intelligence to play RL

Ps. Hock is a fringe International player at best. Even had he not been suspended last season....can anyone say with any certainty he would be picked for Eng?!! in all honesty I cant see Tony Smith being stupid enough to pick him for the 4 nations this year as there are far better back rowers in the game.

Really did think Hock performed awfully last night. But it was bad decisions / things not coming off that went wrong. He is an exceptional player who had an off week. I'll take an off week for the many amazing weeks we get out of him.

But his general performances have lead to international selection for a couple of years.

Who's wrong?

You

Or

All Wigan coaches who have selected him, the international coaches that have selected him and the majority of Wigan supporters?

In terms of wigan coaches who have selected him....they have done so on the back of the fact that there has been nothing better in the squad of the time.....IMO there is now, and I would sooner give players like mossop and farrell a run, and stop us from starting the majority of our games behind the eight ball because of hock's often ludicrous choices.

I wouldnt suggest anyone is wrong....just there must be a lot of rose tinted specs hanging around wigan (but then we have known this for years!!!)

Think were gonna have to agree to disagree on this one mate. IMO Hock is nothing but a glorified labotomised Danny Sculthorpe and always will be.

So Wigan coaches have been forced to play him, but during those performances he has co-incedentally gained selection to represent his country.

C'mon?

He can fustrate me as much as anyone and those around me on Friday will have heard me calling for him to be subbed, but his general attributes and performances for Wigan are very good. He's a very good player and a key member of our Wigan and international squad.

I have to agree with this...

What is it with left testicle's on this site?



Your opinion of Hock is in the minority

On his day there is no-one better

He is also young and a WIGAN lad

There isn't one side in super leaue that wouldn't take Hock and tbh our pack becomes a lot less intimidating when he isn't in it

He even requires special attention from teams when we play them (Leeds have picked him out as a threat everytime we play them) He was also unlucky with a few calls that went against him on Friday and if the obstruction wouldn't of gone against him and he would of got some penalty's instead of those 'knock ons' we would have been praising him for another good performance

Andyed-wiganrl Now thinks that Wilkin is FAR SUPERIOR!

You couldn't make it up!

That's not entirely accurate. [iSome[/i of his offloads are too high risk, many are not.

That comment would be fair enough two seasons ago, even possibly last year, but he has worked hard on his discipline and now gives very few penalties away. Lockers has given more away this year.
I was annoyed when he was adjudged to have knocked on several times against Leeds, but when I got home and watched it on TV, it was obvious that the Leeds players had been coached to reef the ball out against Hock whenever possible, knowing the ref would suspect it was a knock on based on experience. The ref even got it right on one occasion.

He might not be the sharpest tool in the box, but so what? Some of the greatest natural sporting talents haven't been - Paul Gascoigne, Prince Naseem - it accounts for little really.

knock on loose carry...you say tomato i say tOmatowe ?!?

oh and the bit in bold....you might have destroyed your own argument.....if hock was sooo good, why on earth would a referee of all people, think he had knocked on 'due to experience'. for me this shows that even you think deep down hes not up to scrach?!?!!



no but all of the above may have at least have some intelligence.....you dont have to be einstien to play RL but you need to have something in your head in order to make the correct decisions on a rugby field. Hock is that thick he is brain dead...he cant diferentiate between when is a good time to throw a ball out and not to ffs.

This can't still be going. Surely the troll has been locked up for the night?!

Fair play to him.

He has stuck to his opinion.

Still wrong though.

The difference between Hock and Wilkin: if you're winning at a canter both players will score and make some nice tries. However, if you're in a hole, Hock might get you out of it. Occasionally, he might get you deeper in it! Wilkin, on the other hand, will do NOTHING for you when you're up against it. He's a luxury player, Hock is a battler, even if every so often an ill-advised one. Besides, it's clearly obvious that Hock has worked extremely hard on his discipline.

Wilkin hasn't got half the talent of Hock and even when winning still can't pull off some of the magical plays Gaz does

but has gaz got his own bbc column?

Hock - can't play with him, can't play without him



[size=42 Although I would rather have Hansen/Tomkins/Lockers as my backrowers [/size

I though Hock was garbage the other night and after watching it again i stand by that statement, his carry was loose his defense was poor and his decision making shocking.

It is a catch 22 situation though as simply having him on the field gives other players more space as opposition defenders have to watch him very carefully. If he was not in the team iw would leave our opponents only Feka to worry about which again in not good for the team.

Given the lack of options he has to play, but he should be used off the best, when he has been most consistant and contributed most to the team. In my opinion having Hock and Feka on from the start is a major error.

Hock in particullar is a game breaker, he is the type of player that can pull off 1 spell of great play and win you the game, he does not need the full 80 to do this saving his energy and using against a fatigued defense is the best option and seems to work, why we run with a bench with no impact in 09 after the way we played bringing them off the bench in 08 is a total mystery to me, one of many. Still some will claim it is the players fault that they are being picked from the start.

I described him as an enigma on Friday. What can you do? He obviously has to figure somewhere (I agree with you re benching him BTW) but his mistakes were very costly and his 1 on 1 defence was absurd at times.

Didn't AJ call him MOM? How on earth?