Well they were on the scoreboard, and thats the stat that counts. I'm not saying Leeds deserved to win and Manly weren't top class on the night, but to say Leeds were embarrassed is way off the mark IMO.

embarrassed? some might say that.
for me leeds were dragged around the field at points and were caught chasing shadows.
rather than have a dig at leeds for that, id rather ask you to take a look at super league.
leeds are officially (and in my opinion) the best team in the country and they didnt come close to manly in many areas. im really worried that we'll all forget just how superior the NRL is and come the 4 nations we and the french will get smashed.

ps hope you do saints in cup

I've been thinking about this, and you have to remember this same Manly team battered a (arguably) all-time great Melbourne side 40-0 in the NRL GF. Manly are far and away the best team in world rugby (either code IMO) Most other teams would have taken a far bigger beating and to lose by 8 points isn't anything to be ashamed of.

With regard the 4-nations as long as we're competitive and we blood a few young players a chance I'll be happy, and I know we've said it year after year but I expect big things from England within 2 years.

Oh, and I'd rather we beat Saints next week than in the cup.

we're so far behind i think the best immediate option is to try and get some of our younger players over to australia. tansey at sydney for example.

Tonight was simply about how poor Wigan are.

Watching the Bronco's Cowboys game today both teams had bags of "kids" on debut who would walk into the Wigan side, and much of the Leeds side.

Brett you can talk cod sheeite all you want but the standard to coaching in the SL is garbage, Leeds are worthy of a spot in the NRL as are Saints, everyone else is miles behind and its not down to the playing rosta.

Different geography. Different market.

Thanks for the insult.

As can you. The difference being that my spelling and grammar isn't that of a 7 year old.

Why?? One loss to Saints probably won't change our position in the season. If we lose in the cup we only have 1 trophy to go for.

But your standard of dabating is.

Why is it a different market though? The salary Cap doesn't affect the standard of players being brought through, or the standard of coaching being provided to these players. Look at the Superleague for just one example, when is the last time a side coached by an English coach won it?

Not bothered about the CC. It should go IMO

watched the match on telly, totally unbiased as I am a Leigh supporter,I would just like to make a comment, The winger Ainscough looks to be an excellent prospect He puts me in mind of the Late Joe Walsh, you must keep hold of players like this, they are the future, dont let him become another Hodgson or Colbon

Did you see the Manly/Canterbury game? It was an awesome display of fast flowing exciting rugby. An amazing spectacle....in that weather too!

The biggest urban myth going. The NRL is fantastic, i guess though if you do not like players with pace flair and skill, who rip into each other at ridiculous intensity then its not the comp for you.

Thats about it. People that don't enjoy the NRL are probably those same people who thought Tony Smith got the WC squad right and can't understand how Higham didnt scoot the trophy home.

just watched Canterbury and Manly ,NRL is light years ahead of SL I'm afraid. Just take both leagues for what they are and enjoy them !

There is a lot more dross in the NRL than there was couple of years ago.

This has been done to death. The fact is it was (with probably the odd exception) the best squad available. We just weren't good enough.

I though for a long time now the standard of our junior and academy/reserve leagues in this country has more to do with our poor performance at test level than the standard of SL. This, and the standard of coaching in this country are the 2 things that need addressing the most.

A few of is have been banging on about the reserve and academy standard for years.

The better players are not getting tested. Last night Wigan beat Leeds 60 - 12 at reserve level. What good does that do either team?

Exactaly. Leeds recognised this this a couple of years ago. Which is generally why the best U18s play in the reserves, and the best U21s go out on loan or come into the first team.

It's a matter of personal choice you di[ipsh[/iit. I prefer to watch SL but it doesn't mean i don't like or watch the NRL. Doesn't make me right, doesn't make the bollox you write any more plausible either. Urban Myth doesn't come into it - it's just opinion and a personal preference.

well canterbury-manly was a good game this morning.
congratulations to el magic

Since when did Rugby League have 2 on the field refs?

since this season in the nrl?