I feel we have become reliant on the support of the comemtators like the WWE or UFC to make our game seem exciting. The skills in my opinion have fallen significantly in the last few years.

ive said on other threads that the standard of SL has declined, especially so far this season, but at the same time the standard of the six nations has been disappointing. im still waiting for a game to grip me and get me to shout at the telly.

Webb's defense is fine, his positioning is very good and he is safe enough under the high ball and fielding kicks. His one on one tackling is again good enough. I've never been one for blaming full backs for missing tackles, as they shouldn't really be having to make them if te rest of the team does its job.

Noone who is honest about the sport can disagree.

Saints fans won't, but they are one of the worst examples.

The obsession with "Scoot" and quick PTB has taken our game so far backwards I wonder if we will ever recover.

we'll just have to agree to disagree and to be fair you've probably seen more of the lad than i. maybe ive just caught a few of his off moments.

Its still early days. I don't think the short off season helps. If the standard of rugby is still average in 8 or 9 weeks fine I think then we should start asking questions.

Same here but it does not mean that the skill level is worse than SL.

a sky sports trait that stretches from football through darts and all the way to rugby.
i usually watch sky with the sound off and put the radio on. when you compare it's amazing how little stevo knows about the modern game and eddie knows about the game in general.

Indeed, and now it seems the RFL are taking some steps to change this, and surely we have to be fair and give the players a little time to adapt to the change in style?

We do, but when some of our most respected players are moaning about it, it doesnt really help does it.

Well I would certainly say its not better, and when you consider the 6 nations is one of the top international tournaments in union that strikes me as pretty poor.

Nope, and I disagree with them. And KC is going to moan about slow play the balls his entire career has been based on Saints being allowed to play the ball quickly.

And forward passes, but thats not really the issue currently

classic

Did you fail to see the skills of the England team in the World Cup?

Union teams can generally take the ball to the line pass or take contact, we now seem incapable of both these skills let alone draw a man or create space for a player which is so much harder in union.

The game needs a major kick in the , or it will become extinct.

Flat pass squire, flat pass.

england and france were the two teams that performed worst at the world cup. some of the rugby played by australia, new zealand, samoa, fiji, ireland was great.

England were shiz, but I thought some of the skill on show in the RLWC was of a high standard. I don't think its fair to judge the quality of the whole world cup on the performance of England.

This is correct against quality opposition ie each other the rest was eye catching rugby at a poor standard lacking any real quality that was entertaining.

thats like judging the six nations on the performances of italy (embarassing), scotland (boring) and england (clueless)...