being dropped might just give him the push he needs to start performing as he can

I can guarantee we haven't seen the last of him, other factors such as injuries will pave a way for him back into the side. Question is when he eventually gets back in, will he be good enough?

I certainly expect him to be leaving Wigan at the end of the season.

The lad seems intent to ruin his career. Todd Carney is another, according to LE, was arrested again this week

Sadly, thats his choice, Wigan gave him a lifeline and a new start to revive his career. He just hasn't taken it.

I've heard plenty stories about him in/outside a well known pub in Wigan and I have seen him completely legless in the town centre, acceptable? Not in my opinion.

finally other people admit it.....after donkeys of me getting slated for the only one on here who actually said richards best position is FB!! Richards is one of the best 3 FB in super league and has potential to be the best FB in SL IMO if he gets regular game time there.

Shame really

Both extremely talented players but just waste it

Knowing Nobby, he'll probably start him at 6 on Friday.

I'm not Noble's biggest fan but I can see why some people get fed up with the sly digs others have at him.

He has done what everyone called for by giving Ainscough and Tomkins there chances, we play some bloody good rugby against a team always in the play offs, he at least deserves a bit of a break at the very least.



Why not go mental and get behind the coach and players eh?

Really? Must have been you who was posting all my stuff for the last couple of years then! I wondered who it was.




P.S not to mention certain other posters too....

An excellent point Rogues and one I was going to make myself. I thought better of it as I figured any comparisons to Rads would be met with a hail of protest and cloud the issue so I used Webb instead.

Couldn't agree more though...

Any personnel in particular Jimmy?

Lets be honest, you can't seriously think that?

Mathers just does not have the qualities expected of a fullback. Certainly from what I have seen of him in Wigan colours.

Fullbacks have to be good ball catchers and more importantly clinical tacklers as they are the last line of defense. Mathers is neither. He looks nervous everytime a kick is put his way and he certainly is not a clinical tackler. Just look at Pat Richards compared to Mathers. I feel much more confident with Richards at fullback than Mathers.

Also in attack a fullback is supposed to make runs into the attack or support a runner in anticipation of a pass out of the tackle.(Hock and Feka) Mathers again doesn't do this either whereas Pat Richards does.

I don't know how he made his name in rugby league and to think he was snapped up by the Aussies just seems unreal. There is a good player in Richie Mathers somewhere but I just wonder if he will ever fully recover from the knee injuries he has had.

He's never been tested before that's why.

When Mathers was at Leeds, they had a solid line. One of the strongest ever IMO, yes if you broke the line the odds were you'd score unless the speed of Leeds' back got you.

Braking the line was the difficulty, NOT getting past Mathers.

in addition to this, Mathers' mistakes would more or less go un-noticed since Leeds would score 2 tries for every one let in.

mathers is happy we've drawn barrow.....nobby might let a few acadamy lads have a game so he might just get one

......then again barrow is about mathers' level

Thats abit harsh aint it?

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Ridiculous post.

Harsh, but very fair. He'll be back in the side for at least 4 games this season, so don't be expecting the last of him.

I know Pat's best position is wing but who would be dropped for him? Amos or Ainscough? Who both IMO are playing very well.