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| Quote ="eddie gordo"I think I've made a pretty valid point.
During the 80's and 90's Wigan had more money to spend than any other team, and you reaped the benefits - fair play to you.
Now the playing field has been levelled, you're like the rest of us - chasing Saints and Leeds. Some of the posts on here are ridiculous. Some fans think Wigan have a god-given right to win trophies. Where were these fans when you were relegated in the early 80's?
And for the record, I think the "Calm your skin down" clip was very funny and vary apt on this occasion
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| Quote ="eddie gordo"I have an A* when it comes to RL history chum, and you are it!
I watched plenty of RL in the 80's and early 90's when you had full time professionals before any other club. It's been a level playing field over the past few years and you've won nowt.
Just thank your lucky stars there's no relegation.'"
Wigan went full time in 1992. Apart from RL history your maths is poor as well as that isn't the "80's".
And guess what? When there was no salary cap it was the same for every club.
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| Quote ="eddie gordo"I think I've made a fool of myself and listened to too many RL myths about Wigan and can't quite accept that when Wigan were great, they were untouchable, and when Warrington were great, David Whitfield with Chorus and Mantovani and his Orchestra was at Number One..'"
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| Quote ="Conroy"Wrong again.'"
Sorry, apart from a short time when Widnes were over-spending in the 90's (and look where they've been for the past 15 years) you were able to spend more on salaries and bonuses than any club over a long period from the mid 80's. Ignore Leeds, they didn't spend anything like you.
Fans of other clubs might have a bit more respect for you if you admitted you'd had your glory years, for the timebeing.
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| Quote ="eddie gordo"Sorry, apart from a short time when Widnes were over-spending in the 90's (and look where they've been for the past 15 years) you were able to spend more on salaries and bonuses than any club over a long period from the mid 80's. Ignore Leeds, they didn't spend anything like you.
Fans of other clubs might have a bit more respect for you if you admitted you'd had your glory years, for the timebeing.
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They might not have spent it, but they had it.
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| Quote ="Buffalo"I accept that we've had our day and are struggling at present. We have no divine right to win anything, and when 18 years pass since our last trophy we'll be playing at Leigh Sporting Village'"
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| Quote ="eddie gordo"Fans of other clubs might have a bit more respect for you if you admitted you'd had your glory years, for the timebeing.
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Find me a Wigan fan who doesn't know that and won't admit to it. Go on. Just one. Really.
You'd get a bit more respect if you admitted Wigan were once a standard above the rest and you're loving the fact we've struggled for a few years now, and you're just a little obsessed with ripping us for it.
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| Quote ="Conroy"They might not have spent it, but they had it.'"
That's a fair comment - I'm sure many club's directors may have been cashing in whilst Rathbone and Hilton were coughing up.
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| Quote ="Buffalo"Find me a Wigan fan who doesn't know that and won't admit that. Go on. Just one. Really.
You'd get a bit more respect if you admitted Wigan were once a standard above the rest and you're loving the fact we've struggled for a few years now, and you're just a little obsessed with ripping us for it.'"
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I'm just joining in the debate. You were head and shoulders above everyone else for many years, due to a combination of high investment and good coaching. Since the introduction of a salary cap you've struggled to compete - fact.
I don't give a toss what Wigan get up to and certainly aren't obsessed with you. How often do you see me on here when you lose?!?!?!?!?!?!
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| Quote ="eddie gordo"Buffalo
I'm just joining in the debate. You were head and shoulders above everyone else for many years, due to a combination of high investment and good coaching. Since the introduction of a salary cap you've struggled to compete - fact.
I don't give a toss what Wigan get up to and certainly aren't obsessed with you. How often do you see me on here when you lose?!?!?!?!?!?!'"
You post as if what you're saying is some kind of revelation and then get all uppity when no-one goes 'Oh my God, this guy's a genius!' Jesus, Wigan were fighting relegation 2 seasons ago and if you'll bother to read the posts we can all see that the last couple of seasons we've not exactly set the game alight. Even on this thread people are posting that we're not good enough and won't win anything under the current coach or playing the way we are. What part of that are you struggling with? Oh, yes I see now...you just wanted to take a pop at Wigan and thought you'd dress it up as 'contributing to the debate'. Get a life, muppet!
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| Quote ="eddie gordo"Buffalo
I'm just joining in the debate. You were head and shoulders above everyone else for many years, due to a combination of high investment and good coaching. Since the introduction of a salary cap you've struggled to compete - fact.
I don't give a toss what Wigan get up to and certainly aren't obsessed with you. How often do you see me on here when you lose?!?!?!?!?!?!'"
Well make yer bloody mind up. First of all you're telling us we can't admit we're not top of the pile any more, now you don't give a toss?
Face facts, Wigan fans know the glory days are long gone. That's not even an issue and hasn't been for years. We can live with that, just as we can live with fans of other sides obsesseed with constantly ribbing us about it.
Still, at least we have the glory days to look back to...
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| Good night chaps - I look forward to seeing you playing at the LSV some time soon!!!!!!!
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| Quote ="eddie gordo"Sorry, apart from a short time when Widnes were over-spending in the 90's (and look where they've been for the past 15 years) you were able to spend more on salaries and bonuses than any club over a long period from the mid 80's. Ignore Leeds, they didn't spend anything like you.
Fans of other clubs might have a bit more respect for you if you admitted you'd had your glory years, for the timebeing.
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Not true.
A good post ruined by a d.ckhead troll
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| Quote ="eddie gordo"Good night chaps - I look forward to seeing you playing at the LSV some time soon!!!!!!!'"
Thanks for proving that whilst we may have fallen on hard times recently fans of lesser clubs still hate and fear us.
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| wigan will come back things go in cycles dont they?
every dog has its day ect.
remember you have been in a much worse position , you have been in division 2 and of course there is no relegation now.
i had great admiration for the great wigan side of the 80s - 90s it looked like it was going to go on forever ,but was it a good thing all that expenditure you are not now in the great atmospheric central park ,leeds tried to follow suit trying to buy success and neary went bust and thus almost having to leave headingley.
wigan will be back all those wigan fans who have been there pre 1984 know this
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| eddie gordo you have gone from
[i You had a good run when you were the only full time professional team [/i
then you decided
[i During the 80's and 90's Wigan had more money to spend than any other team, and you reaped the benefits - fair play to you[/i
And now you think
[i You were head and shoulders above everyone else for many years, due to a combination of high investment and good coaching. [/i
You have not got a clue really , have you
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| 3 games in and its a crisis. I saw you last week and questioned your fitness. But you could easily have beaten us. I have not seen the Wakefield and Cas games, but how is this season so far worst than the season you only just avoided relegation.?
You were p### poor that year yet you were all behind the team to a man. Or thats how it appeared. So far this year its a witch hunt against Nobby and its all doom and gloom. How and why is it any different in your minds.?
I can think why, but I may be accused of trolling and that is not the reason for my questions.
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| Quote ="wiganstu"ive finally admitted to myself tonight that i am not enjoying watching wigan anymore
im wigan through and through , i would bleed cherry and white if you cut me ...but im finding it so hard to watch the team at the minute
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i used to look forward to a few beers with my mates on a friday night at the home games , and whatever away games came up , but i found myself questioning the reason why i went tonight
i sat there watching a few people getting behind the team when it looked like a comeback was on the cards, but lets be honest , if we had won tonight , it would just be papering over the cracks
slow/lazy in defence , flat in attack , what chance do we have when this is churned out every week ??
we are a shambles at the minute
the play is so predictable , i told a mate the minute feka would leave the pitch in the first half , yes , the 35th minute .
why take of our only forward that is making yards with 5 to go in the first 40 ?
if i can predict stuff like that , not a full time paid professional , is it any wonder we are seeing what we are ?
opposition teams can set up for things like this , they know what to expect
we need a change at the top , noble has done the job he was brought in to do , but now we need something different
thank you brian for saving us , but relegation isnt a threat anymore , im not sure is a good thing this year !
when they thought they could go down it was a bit of motivation !
im tired of the style of play , we look clueless , not a move in us , lazy slow defence and flat attacks
when we get near the try line its normally a cross kick to the corner ......
we are wigan rugby league , we should be better than desperate tactics like that
please ian lenegan , take note'"
As an outsider looking in.... please allow me to pass my opinion on all this as I know what it's like to follow a team who upset you week in week out.
Because you are Wigan doesn't mean that you can't have a bad run... it doesn't mean you are going to be successful year in year out. Try 30 years of struggle and then you may have a right to feel down about things. The last few years haven't been great for your club, but I'd swap that for our recent history. Is it perhaps that because of the successes of the past that makes it harder to cope with what is happening now ?
I don't buy all the salary cap rubbish that people throw around... I hated playing Wigan during the 80s and 90s.... but when I look back I can safely say that they were a joy to watch... It was rugby league how rugby league should be.... and for that alone you should all be proud to be fans of your club... and be more determined to stick by the club through the hard times.
Just going back to the point about taking Feka off the field.... How long had he been on the park ? One of the worst times to concede would be just before half time.... he may have been good going forward... but how was he performing in defence at that time. Was he slower off the mark... were the quicker players for Castleford targeting him ? There are much more factors that need to be considered for taking a player from the field than just his forward game.
Stick with it... it'll come.... there aren't many coaches going spare at the moment.
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| the question you have to ask is does he have the guts to drop big name players for outstanding youngsters that in all truth would die for the club.
he had the guts to drop coley after your first round defeat too us but me personally i would drop tim smith he offered nothing in creativity and its probably been said many a time letting higham go was a bad mistake just as i feel wakefield letting ferres go will come back to haunt wakefield.
you have no cohesion at the moment riddell doesnt look fit, smith looks uninterested surely he could give tomkins a start in a game it cant get much worse can it for you fans time to give him a go i feel.
one thing wigan must be commended on his there pricing plan 16 pound for away fans is outstanding to be seated it was 20 pound to stand at leeds and hull kr is 20 pounds to sit in a makeshift stand, its 18 pounds at wakefield so you offer the best deal in the league in my opinion
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| Quote ="Ian.H"eddie gordo you have gone from
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And now you think
[iYou were head and shoulders above everyone else for many years, due to a combination of high investment and good coaching. [/i
You have not got a clue really , have you
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I think all those 3 quotes point to the same thing.
Where I probably went wrong was trying to have reasoned debate with you bunch of clowns.
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| to be honest i agree.
over the last few seasons my passion and devotion to wigan has completely decreased. If wigan lost i would be gutted; and it would put a downer on my whole week. But now, i expect a loss. As negative and fickle as it sounds im never suprised if wigan lose, no matter to what team. I think my lack of passion is due to the lack of passion displayed by the team, fans try there hardest to get behind them; but week after week they let us down.
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| Amount I support the club is as high as ever.
Amount of depression I feel each passing week is increasing.
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| [iI think all those 3 quotes point to the same thing. [/i
I don't think it’s the same thing at all . You started off saying all the previous success was down to being the only full time squad , which was wrong .
You then changed your tune to it was all down to us having the extra money , again wrong .
You then finally admitted , that good coaching may have played a part , which is correct , well done .
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| Quote ="LoyalFan"As an outsider looking in.... please allow me to pass my opinion on all this as I know what it's like to follow a team who upset you week in week out.
Because you are Wigan doesn't mean that you can't have a bad run... it doesn't mean you are going to be successful year in year out. Try 30 years of struggle and then you may have a right to feel down about things. The last few years haven't been great for your club, but I'd swap that for our recent history. Is it perhaps that because of the successes of the past that makes it harder to cope with what is happening now ?.'"
90% of wigans who come on here dont exprect to be top of the league every year and win every trophy going . most of us are sensible posters with a good knowledge of the game , its the style of play , themanner of defeat , the whole predictability of it
Quote ="LoyalFan"I don't buy all the salary cap rubbish that people throw around... I hated playing Wigan during the 80s and 90s.... but when I look back I can safely say that they were a joy to watch... It was rugby league how rugby league should be.... and for that alone you should all be proud to be fans of your club... and be more determined to stick by the club through the hard times..'"
absolutley spot on , rugby how it was supposed to be played ,not the mind numbing drivel we have seenover the last few years under noble
Quote ="LoyalFan"Just going back to the point about taking Feka off the field.... How long had he been on the park ? One of the worst times to concede would be just before half time.... he may have been good going forward... but how was he performing in defence at that time. Was he slower off the mark... were the quicker players for Castleford targeting him ? There are much more factors that need to be considered for taking a player from the field than just his forward game.
Stick with it... it'll come.... there aren't many coaches going spare at the moment.'"
it was the usual noble times for feka , bring him on after between 16 and 20 mins , then take him off around 35 36 mins regardless .
like i said , i told my mate when he would go off .
there are 2 things here , if feka cannot make do the extra 5 to HT then he shouldnt be playing
if he can , but noble continually takes him off at that time week in week out noble is at fault
2nd half the times arent normally as accurate , but as a rule its normally around 50 mins till 70-75
that isnt the main point to my original post though , its thefact that the style of play is boring me to death
its hard work watching them , even going to the game is now becoming a chore and it shouldnt , it was a passion , travel times and distance were never a consideration , yet its becoming difficult to go to home games due to the boring , predictable , passionless , uneventfull performances
never mind , we have a full week to put humpty back together
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| I started watching Wigan just after they won the CC in 1965. They then had a fallow period of 20 years before winning it again in 1985 during which time they got relegated. Having been patient for those 20 years watching Wigan get beat heavily by the likes of Leeds and Saints I have absolutely no qualms about Wigan winning so much for 10 years. Now I have to endure another fallow period but thats the way it goes.
Wigan will rise again and the current crop of young stars in the making at the club may well bring that success sooner rather than later. It is raw talent that brings success not money. Many people who have a pop at Wigan's glory years miss the point and ignore the fact that the core of the team were local Wigan lads who happened to have quite a bit of raw talent. Edwards, Gregory, Lydon etc.
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