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| Quote ="Phuzzy"And therein lies the weakness of your argument. You see all Leeds players as better than anyone else. You quote two GF winning coaches as picking Ablett as a reason why he is better, yet when one of these coaches had the choice between your back rowers and ours at International level, he chose ours..and that includes JJB. Strange isn't it?'"
Game set match Phuzzy?
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"And therein lies the weakness of your argument. You see all Leeds players as better than anyone else. You quote two GF winning coaches as picking Ablett as a reason why he is better, yet when one of these coaches had the choice between your back rowers and ours at International level, he chose ours..and that includes JJB. Strange isn't it?'"
there lies the weakness in your argument dear boy!! you have the wrong poster. i never said that i think it might have been DISA
be a bit more thorough mate
jjb got an england call up for the world cup after 4 games back from a half season injury, which isnt bad going really.
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"im not really sure what that argument is now as it was about 1pm this arvo???? things have moved on a bit since youve had ya dinner mate! where now at hock is better than peacock. im sure you could chip in here
remember not too much sugar'"
The argument is the one you clearly lost. Selective memory I see. Figures.
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| Quote ="kirkamania6"Game set match Phuzzy?
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well it would be if he had the right person fnar fnar
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"And therein lies the weakness of your argument. You see all Leeds players as better than anyone else. You quote two GF winning coaches as picking Ablett as a reason why he is better, yet when one of these coaches had the choice between your back rowers and ours at International level, he chose ours..and that includes JJB. Strange isn't it?'"
And look what good that did!!
Hock was great for you against bradford but as yet he's to prove his worth over a full season IF he could do that and keep his head straight then you would have a debateable point re-him v ali and jjb.
I think Hock had/has the potential but not the consistency or temprement.
Maybe this season he will prove any doubter's wrong but 4 games into the season i'd still take Ali and Jjb over him any day of the week.
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"The argument is the one you clearly lost. Selective memory I see. Figures.
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mate whats your problem the argument about coaches and all that was another poster not me!! i just felt ablett was a little better than a pie fans left nut.
we had got this thread back on track until you you turned ya XBOX off
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"there lies the weakness in your argument dear boy!! you have the wrong poster. i never said that i think it might have been DISA
be a bit more thorough mate
jjb got an england call up for the world cup after 4 games back from a half season injury, which isnt bad going really.'"
Which you agreed with. Be a bit less selective with what you remember mate. Remember the Leuleui argument or shall I remind you?
Not bad at all. Still doesn't negate the fact that our backrowers are all international first choices. Plainly your arguents hold as much water as a Tim Smith Scotch!
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| Quote ="kirkamania6"Don't think Leeds back row looks half as frightening now Ellis has gone'"
True but neither do your backs without barrett!!
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| Quote ="rhinoms"True but neither do your backs without barrett!!'"
But now S Tomkins is here
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"mate whats your problem the argument about coaches and all that was another poster not me!! i just felt ablett was a little better than a pie fans left nut.
we had got this thread back on track until you you turned ya XBOX off'"
You're an idiot. I'm a father of 2 who's been watching Wigan for 20+ years. I've tried to ignore your purile insults thinking you might actually have a brain buried somewhere under that Leeds bias and ignorance. Sorry, I was mistaken.
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| Quote ="rhinoms"True but neither do your backs without barrett!!'"
But now we have Sam
Or do you not rate him either?
Cue another pointless argument
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| Quote ="finchy17"But now S Tomkins is here
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He is mate and he looks the buisness but the rest of the league will know about him now plus he hasn't been put under a lot of pressure yet
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| Quote ="rhinoms"He is mate and he looks the buisness but the rest of the league will know about him now plus he hasn't been put under a lot of pressure yet
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So you dont think he can hack it?
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| Quote ="rhinoms"He is mate and he looks the buisness but the rest of the league will know about him now plus he hasn't been put under a lot of pressure yet icon_wink.gif'"
You haven't read many Sam Tomkins threads on here before then
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| Quote ="rhinoms"And look what good that did!!
Hock was great for you against bradford but as yet he's to prove his worth over a full season IF he could do that and keep his head straight then you would have a debateable point re-him v ali and jjb.
I think Hock had/has the potential but not the consistency or temprement.
Maybe this season he will prove any doubter's wrong but 4 games into the season i'd still take Ali and Jjb over him any day of the week.'"
It doesn't matter what good they did. The fact that he chose them is all that matters re: this argument. Otherwise you have to say the same for all the Leeds players who featured. Let's start with JJB, Sinfield, Peacock, McGuire, Burrows, Senior...You want me to go on?
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| Quote ="finchy17"So you dont think he can hack it?'"
I never said that
This week is another step up for him,he will meet a completely different challenge and quality of opponent.
Even if he doesn't play well it doesn't mean i don't rate him but don't get giddy and hail him the saviour of wigan and england RL just yet!
The early signs are very good but don't put too much expectation the lad.
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| Quote ="Phuzzy" I was mistaken.'"
yes im sure! about a great many things
come on mate keep a lid on it! insults are not the way to go. you have to keep as scence of humour!! its the day before your coaches biggest game of the season. its good too see you pie's reved up you were all suicidle 2 weeks ago
ps plenty of people with kids play XBOX(some of us have PS3 too)
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| Quote ="finchy17"But now S Tomkins is here
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| right fuzz nice chatting!! im oft down pub with my dad to do the quizz enjoy it tomoz
may the best team win!!
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"It doesn't matter what good they did. The fact that he chose them is all that matters re: this argument. Otherwise you have to say the same for all the Leeds players who featured. Let's start with JJB, Sinfield, Peacock, McGuire, Burrows, Senior...You want me to go on?'"
Go on and on if you want mate it doesn't alter the fact that hock still isn't consistent over a full season or that i would pick Ali or Jjb before him
Did the leeds players cover themselves in glory in the world cup???
My answer to that is did anybody in the england squad really perform to their potetial=NO.
You stated that the national coach picked hock over jjb to support your argument and i merely pointed out that it didn't do much good!!
We all know wigan fans will pick hock as the better player and the leeds fans will do the same with ali and jjb the big difference is our's have done it in finals and over full seasons hock has yet to do that and even wigan fans in the past have admitted to his flaws and temprement so we'll have to agree to disagree.
Enjoy the game.
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| Quote ="rhinoms"I never said that
This week is another step up for him,he will meet a completely different challenge and quality of opponent.
Even if he doesn't play well it doesn't mean i don't rate him but don't get giddy and hail him the saviour of wigan and england RL just yet!
The early signs are very good but don't put too much expectation the lad.'"
If he does play well and we win, then he will of proved he can cut it in super league. We will seeif he can do it consistantly after that.
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"yes im sure! about a great many things
come on mate keep a lid on it! insults are not the way to go. you have to keep as scence of humour!! its the day before your coaches biggest game of the season. its good too see you pie's reved up you were all suicidle 2 weeks ago
ps plenty of people with kids play XBOX(some of us have PS3 too)'"
No just the one. That you are an idiot. Don't go taking continuous pops at someone and then when you've been shown up pretend you didn't mean it! You clearly thought I was a kid, so don't give me the plenty of people play with an X Box bollox! I tried to ignore your purile insults but you weren't having any.
"Insults aren't the way to go"? Isn't it funny how it's always the ones who think they should be able to use them without reply who come out with that argument...
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| Cannot believe this, I ask the question on like page 7 how many Wigan players would get into the Leeds team for friday.
Boy did I open a can of worms.
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| Quote ="odemwingie"If he does play well and we win, then he will of proved he can cut it in super league. We will seeif he can do it consistantly after that.'"
I don't doubt that fella.
I think he can but with the young guns we all know there'll be peaks and trough's i was merely pointing out tmw night will be his 1st real major test and even if he doesn't play well i still reckon he's got a great future.
The same with young watkins and mcshane at our place they will make mistakes but i still think there's a new breed of quality across some clubs ready to step up.
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