If true it can go wither way

it could go like Mike Greg or Andy Goodway!!!

IMHO, if (

) Noble leaves, then, to take us to the next level, the replacement needs to be a top line coach with real credentials, recent experience in the top flight and (unfortunately) up to date experience.

A Bennet, Smith, Gould, Anderson (although I don't think anyone with a Saints link should be allowed near the coaching set up (ever!)) would fit this bill. Wane should be then groomed to take over, not simply moved up to fill a gap, the last time that happened we had Betts in charge who simply wasn't ready for the job in hand.

To go from Noble to Wane in this manner is a chronic statement of lack of ambition imho, especially as it appears that it is a case of settling for Wane. Maybe nobody outside Wigan is prepared to take the poison chalice that is Wigan RL

'Wiganer' is good, but IMHO best man for the job should be the order of the day, not best Wiganer for the job.

Same squad, inexperienced coach = ??

Cheaper yes, better financially? Not necessarily. Results could be interesting, fence sitters may not bother with the season tickets if failure looks probable?

Fully agree, although I have no problem with Wane as a number 2 to a top coach for a year or two. Mike Greg had to learn his trade after all as did Nobby.

That's true, but I would sacrifice passion in the head-coach role for NRL expertise.

If Shaun Wane gets the job, I'll give him my full support, as I'm sure all Wigan fans will - I'm pretty sure he'll be regarded the same way Greg was, at least initially - but if it doesn't work out it's going to be yet more criticism for all concerned, because the argument will be that we should have gone for the possibly more expensive option of a highly qualified Aussie.

And if say we get McGuire in and he fails what will we say then?

Well at least they won't be able to say it's because we went for a cheap option.

I'm talking about the way these things are perceived, and I'm just as guilty of that as everyone else.

I like Shaun Wane and will give him the thumbs-up if he comes, but I find it difficult to see how appointing him (from the Wigan junior ranks) would be as much of a 'cert' as appointing the guy who's been second-in-command of the Storm and has every qualification in the NRL book.

Except coaching an NRL side.

Maybe I'm in a minority, but I'd rather have a club that lives within its means than goes to the wall chasing success (that sounds familiar

).
I'm willing to trust in Ian Lenaghan as I am not privy to the exact details regarding the search for a new coach and don't need to be.

As I posted a few weeks ago, I've been told by two very reliable sources that we wanted McGuire but visa and RFL coaching clearance may prove/have proved a problem.

I said to my dad last night that if Wane is to be offered the job the nagging doubt will always be at the back of everyones minds that it's been done because he's the cheap option but i believe this time Lenagan could well have stumbled accross the correct decision.

He's a young up and coming coach that knows the club inside out and will back the youngsters to preform in the first team.

I'll be happy if he is appointed.

If Wane takes charge I anticipate a rip n' tear flying start to the new season. Not the usual lethargic half a.rsed approach that effectively rules out all chances of a top 4 finish before the half way point of the season . We'll come flying out the blocks ala Mike Gregory. Might be what's needed. We've seen some of the biggest names in the coaching world fall on their swords at Wigan. Give it a no-nonsense Wiganer and see what he can shake up.

Give him a sh*thouse prop who'll rattle a few cages and lead from the front and he'll get us going no problems imo.

He coaches it when the head coach is on rep duty. Wane has coached Wigan when?



This has got to be the most negative and pointless argument against employing a top class coach yet. What do you mean "lives within its means"? How much do you think a top class coaches salary is and why on earth should Wigan with with the crowds we get be unable to afford it?

Like most others on this board I like what Wane has done with the junior players but we need a top class coach not one appointed because we can't find one or he is cheap.

Nobby getting boot and Wane being appointed half way through this season as caretaker would have been ideal. We could have seen how he went and then if he went well at least the appointment would have been based on seeing how he did handle a SL side. Had it not worked out then as caretaker he could have reverted to his old role as we went for a different man. Now instead of that it is a complete gamble to appoint an untried coach. This is a direct consequence of letting the coaching issue drag on as it has.

Wane may well do as others suggest and emulate Mike Greg but most new coaches have an effect just after they join. Jimmy Lowes did at Wire for about four of five games. The passion and Mike Greg style attitude can only take a side so far and we saw in the cup semi final what happens when a technically naive coach comes up against one with a brain. I don't want to see Wane exposed like that.

Of course he may be a revelation but I don't think we should be voicing approval of his appointment because the club can then live within its means.

Dave

I never mentioned Wane.
McGuire coaches when Belamy is away on SoO duty? SoO is midweek so Bellamy is back for the weekend NRL game.



So why bother responding to it?



I don't want us to have money problems that could lead to financial problems and I'm not just talking about a coach. Short memories.

I don't expect Nobby to be working for minimum wage. Other clubs seem to be able to tempt Aussie coaches with no problem - are we supposed to assume that Hudds, HKR etc pay their coaches better than we seem prepared or able to?

Given the salary cap for players, if our coaching set-up is going to send us into financial meltdown, we may as well pack it all in now.

You contrasted the experience of McQuire to Wane when Cruncher mentioned Wane's lack of experience.



This is a message board.



And as I said previously, how much do you think a head coaches wage is and why do you think this would be a problem for Wigan? Do you think Nobby is on a pittance?

Sorry you don't like it being pointed out the club getting into financial difficulty by appointing a top coach is nonsense, but it is.

Dave

This may well be true. In fact, more than likely it's true (as WLA said, Noble is one of the best paid coaches in the business, so I'm sure the cash isn't an issue), but the problem is that - even if the cause was beyond their control, like a visa refusal - Wigan won't be able to say anything that might suggest Shaun Wane was second choice. They'll have to give him full support from the outset. They certainly won't be able to publicise that 'more preferable options' failed, and this will leave them open to yet more criticism if Shaun gets it wrong.

It could be, of course, that we're all underestimating Shaun. He's highly rated by those 'in the know'.

I never mentioned Wane.

I responded to that part. McGuire may have a bucket load of NRL qualifications, but he hasn't coached.


And the point you didn't reply to

McGuire coaches when Bellamy is away on SoO duty? SoO is midweek so Bellamy is back for the weekend NRL game.

Cruncher said:



You responded:



So forgive me for the assumption you were comparing the appointment of Wane to that of McQuire.




Has Wane ever done this at Wigan? No.

The difference between Wane and McQuire is Wane is not Nobby's assistant and is not involved in first team coaching on a day to day basis. McQuire is. McQuire has learned the ropes as assistant to a top NRL coach. Wane hasn't even been assistant to Nobby, a coach who isn't regarded well enough to keep his job. There is a big difference between each of their coaching apprenticeships.

Dave

You're forgiven.


I take it by not responding to this particular point you realise you were wrong in saying that McGuire has coached the first team.

Do you enjoy making pointless points? MCquire coaches the team in Bellemy's absence. If you want to be pedantic, which you clearly do, I am right and you are wrong.

Dave

A visa/work permit wouldn't be a problem according to what i read for Mcguire because aslong as Wigan could prove for a nailed on fact that he was Melbournes sole 'number 2' he'd be eligible for one.

Due to him coaching Melbourne in Bellamys absences that wouldn't be a problem.

Maybe we've just decided to go with an unproven guy that knows the club over one that doesn't which sounds sensible when put like that.

So if there are no problems with McGuire and we apparently haven't spoken to him for a while you'd have to think that we've gone for Shaun.
Looking at it positively the last point you make is a good one.

I think Lenagan probably just feels going for a local guy and a passionate Wiganer will buy a little more patience from the Wigan fans(and possibly that he's a touch cheaper says the cinic in me).

Imagine us bringing this McGuire bloke in and we have a similar start to this year where we look uninterested and only have about 2 or 3 wins on the board from 10 games.............The pressure on McGuire would be huge and plenty of fans would be calling for his head already. On the other hand if Wane had a start like that i just feel the Wigan public would be willing to back him a little more especially if he'd been blooding a couple of youngsters during that period.

The more i think about it the more i believe it's the clever move.