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| Quote ="El Barbudo"For the record, [uI'm a Leeds supporter[/u and, so far, I agree with AdeyBull and FearTheVee.
I'd say ...
[uMalicious? No.[/u
[uReckless? Probably.[/u
[uSending-off sufficient? Probably.[/u
[uTargetting Tomkins? Give over[/u, there were plenty of other opportunities for that.
I was watching on TV and my initial thought ([ujaundiced by having seen him cheat before[/u) was that Tomkins was milking it.
But he wasn't and that became clear quite quickly.
Hope he's fine now.'"
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| Quote ="Cruncher"What fascinates me is all these 'neturals' who are "no fan of Sam Tomkins".
I understand jealousy and fear. Everyone feels that when you're up against a very skilled opponent, and yes, it's completely natural to feel relief when that opponent is removed from the action, even if you don't condone the method.
But people need to draw a line.
When this kid has got the sort of chequered past that Sean Long has - in other words a history of causing embarrassment to the game, almost to the point where it has overshadowed his very real talent - then I might just be able to understand why people would dislike him so much (without actually knowing him).
Shaun Edward was treated similarly by the neutrals. He was reviled in many quarters, even to the point where he was physically attacked by fans on the pitches at Hull and St Helens. And yet off the field he was a sound lad, who made rugby league his religion and, in the long term, has done nothing but good for the game's reputation.
Some folk really need to be honest with themselves and wonder why it is that they hate certain players. They then need to remind themselves that they are supposed to be adults, not kids.'"
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"For the record, I'm a Leeds supporter and, so far, I agree with AdeyBull and FearTheVee.
I'd say ...
Malicious? No.
Reckless? Probably.
Sending-off sufficient? Probably.
Targetting Tomkins? Give over, there were plenty of other opportunities for that.
I was watching on TV and my initial thought (jaundiced by having seen him cheat before) was that Tomkins was milking it.
But he wasn't and that became clear quite quickly.
Hope he's fine now.'"
Quote the time where he cheated by lying down, pretending that he had taken a hit. Was it against Ablett? I remember Sinfield staying down when young Farrell turned his back whilst charging a kick. As soon as the penalty was awarded, Sinfield sprang to his feet. |
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Agree with most of what you say there, but there are plenty of excellent players throughout the league who don't/didn't attract the same reaction as Tomkins (Roby, Burgess, Buderus, Monaghan, Puletua, Dobson, Richards, Hoffman etc etc).
I'm sure a fair bit of it is jealousy, but a fair bit is also the way he plays the game at times. If you were completely honest you'd probably admit that - he can be pretty objectionable.'"
I'd love some examples...apart from trapping the arm which cannot be the reason for such hatred. |
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Don't make me laugh El Barbudo - You would agree with Adey Bull and Fear the Vee wouldn't you. You are from Leeds after all.
If Sam had done it to Shad Royston, Paul Welland or Brent Webb it would be a different story. You would all be saying it was intentionally malicious, he should be banned for life etc etc because you are jealous of his skill and hate him for it.
There is no way you would be saying it was unintentional, he was playing the ball and sending off sufficient like you are with Raynor.
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Don't make me laugh El Barbudo - You would agree with Adey Bull and Fear the Vee wouldn't you. You are from Leeds after all.
If Sam had done it to Shad Royston, Paul Welland or Brent Webb it would be a different story. You would all be saying it was intentionally malicious, he should be banned for life etc etc because you are jealous of his skill and hate him for it.
There is no way you would be saying it was unintentional, he was playing the ball and sending off sufficient like you are with Raynor.
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Youtube - search:
Sam Tomkins (TRY) KO'd by Gareth Raynor
See for yourselves.
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Just had a look MattyB - after 3.04 mins head shot off Raynor with close fist. No intention of going for ball.
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| Quote ="MidlandsWarrior2"We ahve to make sure we dont lose it looking for revenge it will be our downfall
EDIT: Bloody lima, it will be own downfall unless we can be professional'"
that's what i keep saying, my mate stu reckons that raynor should be publicly birched then given a smacked bottom using a piece of 3 x 2 |
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| Quote ="g-string"that's what i keep saying, my mate stu reckons that raynor should be publicly birched then given a smacked bottom using a piece of 3 x 2'"
You're mate Stu should get himself signed up to this forum. Save you a job |
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| Quote ="dirtbag83"You're mate Stu should get himself signed up to this forum. Save you a job'"
he's only a reader and too scared to be a poster 
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| Quote ="Cruncher"Some folk really need to be honest with themselves and wonder why it is that they hate certain players. They then need to remind themselves that they are supposed to be adults, not kids.'"
Because hes a dirty little scrote who likes to lead with the knees on prone opponents and who tried to injure Keiron Cunningham on purpose. Is that ok for ya? If you still want to believe its jealousy, knock yourself out.
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| Quote ="Katie.Smithson"Karma is reem isnt it.'"
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So karma smells like a rotten flange? Somebody should tell the Dalai Lama!
If she'd said karma is reet I'd have been bang up to speed
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So karma smells like a rotten flange? Somebody should tell the Dalai Lama!
If she'd said karma is reet I'd have been bang up to speed
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After watching it again it look intentional, but looking at Raynor's reaction made me think different.
But if i hadn't seen his reaction i would of thought he purposely went for Sams head.
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I can't beleive the nonsense being posted by both Wigan and Bradford fans on this one.
Firstly only Raynor will know what he actually meant to do. I'm not sure even he knew exactly what he was trying to do. Whatever is was he got it wrong. It was a clenched fist and direct contact with the head therfore he had to go. IMO he'll get 1 or 2 matches, probably 1 as he saw red. About right i think.
Secondly this anti Tomkins sentiment it begginning to get annoying now. He's a cracking player but occasionally pushes it too far. So does Sinfield, Briers, the list goes on. Many players milk penalties. Why is it ignored when A N Other traps someones arm but there is a 10 page thread when Tomkins does it?
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| Quote ="Katie.Smithson"Because hes a dirty little scrote who likes to lead with the knees on prone opponents and who tried to injure Keiron Cunningham on purpose. Is that ok for ya? If you still want to believe its jealousy, knock yourself out.
Karma is reem isnt it.'"
that sounds like a load of lies to me, my mate stu says it couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke |
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| Quote ="g-string"that sounds like a load of lies to me, my mate stu says it couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke'"
This doesnt even make any sense :S |
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| Quote ="Katie.Smithson"This doesnt even make any sense :S'"
You haven't for some time. |
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| Quote ="Katie.Smithson"Because hes a dirty little scrote who likes to lead with the knees on prone opponents and who tried to injure Keiron Cunningham on purpose. Is that ok for ya? If you still want to believe its jealousy, knock yourself out.
Karma is reem isnt it.'"
well for one thing! never come on here and use the word reem again! no one is going to take your post seriously!
and secondly! its a load of rubbish anyway! sam tomkins is not big enough to try and purposefully injure keiron cunningham! he'd flatten him!
and as for going in with his knees? dont talk wet!
hes a good player! cocky and maybe can sometimes get on the oppositions nerves but any need for him getting cleaned out? no!
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| Quote ="Katie.Smithson"Because hes a dirty little scrote who likes to lead with the knees on prone opponents and who tried to injure Keiron Cunningham on purpose. Is that ok for ya? If you still want to believe its jealousy, knock yourself out.
Karma is reem isnt it.'"
Hiya Katie ... you sound a sophisticated kind of girl.
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| Quote ="I8pies"Hiya Katie ... you sound a sophisticated kind of girl.
Do you have a boyfriend? No thought not'"
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