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| Quote ="wiganstu"RHJ......
you cant seriously be happy with the way things have gone this year ?
the performance is a crucial part of things , the manner of defeat...
both of the above have been totally unacceptable this year ,
take away the interception at quins , and we would be a lot worse off mentally'"
I think sadly the reaction to the win we had against Bradford shows he will fight to the end for Noble on here despite the evidence regardless as he simply is determined not to be proven wrong.
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| It's a weird one. He took over to try to bring the good times back, kept you up first year, got 3rd in SL the last two years and I really expected you to go one better this year.
There's plenty of time to go this year but so far the signs are not promising at all.
Shaun Edwards anyone?
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| Out of interest Jon, which would you prefer out of the following 2 scenarios:
1. Wigan play "well" all year, tail off a bit to the end, and finish 4th.
2. Wigan play sporadic all year, hit form come the playoffs and make the Grand final.
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"Out of interest Jon, which would you prefer out of the following 2 scenarios:
1. Wigan play "well" all year, tail off a bit to the end, and finish 4th.
2. Wigan play sporadic all year, hit form come the playoffs and make the Grand final.'"
I know you weren't asking me but 2.
Leeds and Tony Smith were slated by some of the more knee jerky Leeds fans throughout 2007 for some disjointed performances but ultimately finished 2nd on the ladder. They then mullered Saints at Old Trafford.
As long as you qualify for the playoffs it doesnt matter how many you've lost up until then.
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| Quote ="King Monkey"I know you weren't asking me but 2.
Leeds and Tony Smith were slated by some of the more knee jerky Leeds fans throughout 2007 for some disjointed performances but ultimately finished 2nd on the ladder. They then mullered Saints at Old Trafford.
As long as you qualify for the playoffs it doesnt matter how many you've lost up until then.'"
A team only has to finish eigth for the play-offs which means losing more than half its games. For a team on top salary cap it's a poor performance and gives no chance of a grand final.
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| Quote ="Red Hot Jalapeno"You keep saying this but the facts are games are not won on paper and IMO your view of our current team is typical of another person who over-rates some of our players. Our team this year is not as strong as last year due to the fact we have not replaced Barrett. You cannot lose a Trent Barrett and not replace him and expect to be stronger. Whilst the squad is bigger the quality has dropped badly in one of the most important positions on the field. Add to that the fact Riddell just isnt firing yet and you can see why we are not playing too well at the minute.
Well we have no idea what he asked of the players. Maybe he told them to do one thing yet they didnt carry out the gameplan? Basically he will take responsibilty but the players did not do what he wanted them to do.'"
I dont think we will see a great deal more him either, just plodding on, go taybarns, plod on, go taybarns, plod on, go taybarns and then back to Australia with a wedge of cash at the end.
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"Out of interest Jon, which would you prefer out of the following 2 scenarios:
1. Wigan play "well" all year, tail off a bit to the end, and finish 4th.
2. Wigan play sporadic all year, hit form come the playoffs and make the Grand final.'"
Why are these the only options?
Neither have been anywhere near realistic in the last 2/3 years.
We are no closer to the top 2 and have infact been caught by the rest of the league.
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| Quote ="odemwingie"I am behind Noble untill he leaves and its the same with any player, why cant we just support the team.'"
I'll third that.
I think Bailey makes a good point on main website, when he says, 'It is so frustrating though. Just look at Cas, they have won four games by six points or less this season. We have lost four by one try or having scored the same amount of tries as the other team. Cas are now third and we are ninth!! The line between winning and losing is closer than ever before and unfortunately at the minute we are a victim of that.'
We could be so hyped up at this point in the season if lady luck bounced a little bit more our way.
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"Nope not now I’ve become a moderator with a site banning tool!
Tread carefully
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why? what have you done?
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| Quote ="Catalancs"why? what have you done?'"
I’ve set up bogy traps everywhere that get you site wide bans and s**t
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"I’ve set up bogy traps everywhere that get you site wide bans and s**t
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what's a bogy trap? do the bans apply to the whole internet?
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| Quote ="Catalancs"what's a bogy trap? do the bans apply to the whole internet?'"
No just this site
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"No just this site
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just the forums? or all the RLFans site?
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| Quote ="jonh"I think sadly the reaction to the win we had against Bradford shows he will fight to the end for Noble on here despite the evidence regardless as he simply is determined not to be proven wrong.'"
Not at all Jonh. My reaction to the Bradford win was because you and others had gone on and on that Noble did not have a clue how to coach anything other than 5 drives and a kick. Unfortunately you changed your argument after that win to the consistency one. If you want to keep blaming Noble when we lose you have to be prepared to take the flak back when we win.
As you say i will fight to the end for Noble not because i dont want to be proven wrong but because i believe he is a good coach. You obviously think hes a poor coach and have stated in the past he won things with Bradford by luck. Just because you dont agree with my thoughts does not mean i should change my opinion to suit yours. If we all agreed on everything then forums like this would be pointless.
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Quote ="Catalancs"just the forums? or all the RLFans site?'"
I'm still learning that bit. I'll be taking over from Saint_Jen at 11am - /viewtopic.php?t=402541
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I'm still learning that bit. I'll be taking over from Saint_Jen at 11am - /viewtopic.php?t=402541
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Quote ="Damo-Leeds"I'm still learning that bit. I'll be taking over from Saint_Jen at 11am - /viewtopic.php?t=402541'"
good luck fella. now what do you reckon to brian noble at wigan?
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good luck fella. now what do you reckon to brian noble at wigan?
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| Quote ="Catalancs"good luck fella. now what do you reckon to brian noble at wigan?'"
He's God
No in my honest opinion I’ve never been a big fan and that goes all the way back when he didn’t pick Leeds players for GB despite them having better seasons.
The problems at Wigan like Bradford I feel don’t belong just with the coach and the players. Nobel IMO has done his job of saving Wigan from relegation now its time for him to go because he’s not the coach who’ll take you to Old Trafford!
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| Quote ="Red Hot Jalapeno"Not at all Jonh. My reaction to the Bradford win was because you and others had gone on and on that Noble did not have a clue how to coach anything other than 5 drives and a kick. Unfortunately you changed your argument after that win to the consistency one. If you want to keep blaming Noble when we lose you have to be prepared to take the flak back when we win.
As you say i will fight to the end for Noble not because i dont want to be proven wrong but because i believe he is a good coach. You obviously think hes a poor coach and have stated in the past he won things with Bradford by luck. Just because you dont agree with my thoughts does not mean i should change my opinion to suit yours. If we all agreed on everything then forums like this would be pointless.'"
Once again making things up.
The difference is I am happy to praise him when it is deserved, not enough sadly, where you will fight to the hilt even in the face of the evidence.
But fair play to you, at least you are stiking to you guns, although if you think that things are acceptable at the moment im not sure what it would take to have you criticise him.
If you claim he is a good coach, what is your opinion of his defensive structures.
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| Quote ="Pemps"But surely a bit of consistency and some entertaining rugby isn't too much to ask for?'"
No it isnt, i'd rather play pretty and lose and more to the point get value for money. Noble's style is all about a tight six in defense around the play the ball and biff n bash on attack. If Feka and Hock can not run over them or Tommy side steps through where knackered. I hope they prove me wrong against Saints (God i hope they do). Leeds and Saints make a lot of handling errors in their games because they keep the ball alive especially in their own half believe it or not. We need to use the multi-tude of backs we have to good effect as we are thin on the grounds with forwards.
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| Quote ="stusavage"No it isnt, i'd rather play pretty and lose and more to the point get value for money. Noble's style is all about a tight six in defense around the play the ball and biff n bash on attack. If Feka and Hock can not run over them or Tommy side steps through where knackered. I hope they prove me wrong against Saints (God i hope they do). Leeds and Saints make a lot of handling errors in their games because they keep the ball alive especially in their own half believe it or not. We need to use the multi-tude of backs we have to good effect as we are thin on the grounds with forwards.'"
This is the most frustrating thing for me, we play a style that totally exposes our weakness' and rarely highlights our positive aspects within the team.
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| I mentioned on another thread about Noble that he may not want to stay.
He may get the England job after they've kicked out Smith.
The way Bradford are going McNamara isn't looking good.
He could return to Bradford. If they don't get into the top eight I can't see McNamara lasting beyond that. McNamara may be moved out anyway.
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