Can people please stop having a go at the lad, to be honest on sunday he was better than a lot of other people. He didnt drop a ball(more than can be said for 50% of the team.)

He wasnt helped by a poor display by Roberts and the two tries they scored, he did everything he could have (which is more than can be said about Roberts!!!)

As for the sin binning, well he had no choice, leave him and wakey would have surely scored and sealed the game, or take him out and have a chance of winning.

He was the only player wanting to form the scrum in the dying seconds, and the look of dissapointment and anger, proved to me that he is commited to Wigan.

The guy needs confidence and if people stop ironically cheering him and complaining, then maybe he would do better.

sorry Mrs. Mathers

Beat me to it Dawn!

Yes, he should be dropped, he's a liability in defence and offers absoulutely nothing in attack. Useless.

Let's stop comparing him with the rest of the team and ignore supporters reactions & let's look at his overall game.

His attacking play in non-existant. Last season he had ONE try to his name and ONE try assist. For a fullback that is absolutely appauling. He doesn't get involved with link up play nor does he track up the middle, failing to hang off players shoulders in support as ALL fullbacks should.

His defence since arriving at the club has again been appauling. He struggles with one on one tackles and makes very poor decisions when it comes to the crunch. His red card against King and the yellow card yesterday is clear evidence. How many times last year did we see players literally walk through him with alot of ease?

His positional play is probably the worst. He is too indecisive when it comes to attacking kicks. He hasn't the confidence to attack the ball nor does he have the correct judgement of when to leave it. His handling is often very nervy and it's usual for him to juggle with the ball when trying to return or control an attacking kick.

It's nothing personal, it's just we can't afford to play him. He currently isn't good enough and is a massive weakness in the side. He might be a nice lad, enthusiastic and low in confidence...But sorry, none of that is worth risking results.

Should Mathers be dropped for Hull?

Yes

Yes

He would be put in the reserves and if he still was cack id offer him to every SL team whether it be loan or perminant. Time to get ruthless, deserve your place or send him packing, but that goes for Coley, Phelps or everyone else too.

What he said.............

I see your point, but i feel its a little harsh complaining about him and 131 people saying he is awful, when yesterday he was better than a few players. Thats my only point.

My guess would be the women that fancy him. Or Noble. Or the "seals" that are only too happy to clap and cheer anything they hear aboutt the club.

So who was he better than then?

He didn't drop a ball, only because he bloody didn't go for any.

Send him to Leigh.

I know, but since his first game in cherry and white he has shown no signs of consistant improvement. Through out last year he was generally very poor yet the majority of supporters and coach were willing to give him a chance. After a full pre-season, three friendly games and one Super League there is STILL no sign improvement since his very first game for the club and it's fustrating to see, he simply can't continue to be selected.

Even though I've heavily criticised him, you'll also see a few posts of mine in this thread sympathizing with Mathers. Yes, he is enthusiastic and he shows no lack of effort but it simply isn't enough to warrent a place within the squad. The supporters reactions are understandable as they don't like to see a poor performance from a key position, but that's Brian Noble's fault as it's his decision to keep selecting him.

Josh Vievers could have done better.

Nobody

1. Roberts
2. Coley
3. Riddell

Coley a close 2nd. Roberts did okay

Roberts caught a ball that wasn't kicked directly at him.
Coley ran at the defence once.
Riddel made some decent passes and also tackled a few, even on his own



Mathers is a liability, sorry mate - why are you defending him so much? He's cack

Coley, Mathers, Phelps and Riddell were all extremely disapointing

I know i just like sticking up for players who are getting a lot of stick

1 - Roberts did okay for a debut in a new team and his first game for 4 months. He wasn't good but he wasn't bad. The only time he was out of position was when he and Phelps were both left cruelly exposed by a combination of our poor defence and the time that Drew/Obst were allowed. He certainly wasn't afraid to attack the ball.

2 - A close 2nd to Mathers IMO. Not driving in as hard as he could do and a couple of daft errors but he tackled well at least.

3 - You're joking? His first stint was just about the most organised I've seen us at dummy half for a long while. However, he clearly isn't fit enough.

www.wiganrl.com/news_full.asp?newsid=4502 How is triping only category c?!?! Lets hope its the full 4 matches though

www.wiganrl.com/news_full.asp?newsid=4502 How is triping only category c?!?! Lets hope its the full 4 matches though

no, the only way he should miss the hull game is if he cop's a ban (which i don't think he will get cause he plays for wigan)

Im pretty damn sure Mathers and Hock both got bans last year

Mathers will not be playing on Friday - whether be it by ban or by being dropped.

I hope this is true..

Paat to fullback or Famous Amos?