Are you actually being serious? This has got to be a wind-up?

I'd have still gambled knowing the importance of the WCC and a guy like Lima was signed to play a big part in games like this. Apart from Fielden and Hoffman is he not the only player in our squad who has played in a WCC game?

I'd have taken the chance of an extra game added onto his sentence if it meant we got a chance to have him available for the WCC.


A siege mentality can still be fostered if needed. Look at UTD in football or Mourinho’s teams. Neither take stuff like this on the chin.



Heatherington may look like a prized chump BUT he does seem to get his players off the hook and he also seems to have got his wish for the speed of the PTB to be increased.

Do you not think Lima has towed the club line?

Do you honestly believe the BS said in that piece on the website that we are working on his tackling technique or he’s not used to a one ref system. Come off it he’s a seasoned pro and knew what he either was or wasn’t doing. If he’s said stuff like that then why is it impossible that he’s not bluffed other things as well?

The RFL stated in its report that he would receive greater punishment.

So the club would tell Lima to plead guilty to something he wasn't guilty of just so they could increase his chances of being banned for the WCC then.

I really don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Its getting boring this now..

Lima did the tackle,Wilkins cried about it and Lima is out for two games.

lets move on

So do think Lima really thinks he doesn’t know how to tackle or that Madge is working on his technique in training lol? He’s suddenly didn’t know how to play the game with one ref down? He’s also said these things, which sound like a lot of bs and not something any player would say.

Read IL comments on improving the judiciary system and how he’s now happy with the new professional approach and you can simply see IL is blowing smoke up the RFL’s again.

There's something about Lenagan's language that tells me that if the disiplinary is not consistant and fair this year there could well be some challenges raised.

Thats what i get from IL qoutes.

Any p!ss taking from the disiplinary and questions will be asked.

we'll see if things have change when a RFL favourite like Senior or Morley gets pulled up.

1 game at the most, should have had a warning letter and a fine TBH, didn't Cark Ablett appeal his 1 match ban for his elbow on Sam last year and was get off with it? I would have denied the Wilkin one at least.

I was wondering to what extent.

It recommends 2-3 matches. I was wondering if it might increase to 3-4 or 4-5, or whether it would jsut hit the upper limits, so 3 matches.

The RFL didn't specify. But yes, a three match ban (for a single incident) could well be in order. From what the RFL said, they have been lenient this time because he is new over here.

Which no doubt will have factored in our decision not to appeal.

Time to move on from this now and focus on who we have available for the next 2 weeks.

Oh how hurtful to suggest that I am e-squaring up because someone disagrees with me. Next thing you know I will be asking the mods to look at the comment and consider whether it is worthy of a ban or not.

Just reading comments from 2 x certain opposing fans above and you get a feeling they won't be happy until Lima is Hung drawn & quartered!

Despite all the pontificating about "I would hope that all players get treated equally were serious injuries could be caused" type quotes I wonder how many Posts they've made on other sites of clubs were players were penalised and/or charged with the same offence?

I agree totally - all we want is consistency from the RFL, which we didn't get last year. Morley and Carvell were both put on report the week before we played Wire at the beginning of the season for what in the Superleague Show highlights looked like horrendous head high challenges. Both let off when a 1 man match ban would have ruled them out.

Peacock nearly took Sam's head off in the CC Q/F and Senior kicked Joel in the face - both again let off - incidentally the same game that Farrell was sinbinned by Bentham for a supposed late challenge on Mcguire as he kicked. Coley was sent off for admittedly a high challenge against Catalans and was banned - the week before Wigan played Warrington in July, thus leaving Wigan's pack understrength against the Warrington heavyweights. Worse tackles imo by Morley and Carvell 5 months previously went unpunished.

Then Ablett almost takes Sam's head off at Headingley at the end of July - isn't punished by Ganson, but then Coley is sinbinned for an innocuous tackle on Burrow but deemed by Ganson to be late. Even Eddie disagreed with that sinbinning!

Fielden being banned for defending himself aginst Mason and Griffin in August when Mason stamped on his foot. How about James Graham's stamp on Pat's heel in the GF which went totally unpunished despite being seen by millions on TV? If that happened next month, should Pat go bleating to the ref à la Cry Baby Wilkin?

Is there a pattern emerging? Some of the challenges that Cunningham perpetrated in the last season or two should also have been punished - there was an appalling one in the game at DW in July.

Mr "I fancy myself as a media star" Wilkin may have opened up a can of worms which may come back to haunt him and Saints in future.

He obviously said all those thing to try and keep the punishment down - that should be obvious.

What that doesn't change is the fact you still don't believe he should be found guilty when the player himself admitted he should. As you can imagine I'm going with the player on this one, rather than a desperate fan crying like a little girl, making up conspiracy theories because we got a player banned.

Hey Fames, why don't you open up your own thread entitled 'Injustices done to Wigan 2011 season' and we can all keep track of them and make appropriate comment?

As gutting as it is that Lima won't be available for the WCC we just have to move on. I'm not sure that we're taking the right stance in being all prim and proper and not appealing any bans but if thats the way the club want to go then i'll back them. They are breading a 'no excuse' culture at the club were we take things on the chin and don't go around blaming all negative things on everyone bar ourselves and thats pleasing in a way so we'll just have to get on with it.

Suspension, Injuries, dodgy reffing decisions etc we'll take them all on the chin and take responsibility for our preformences. A certain club from over Yorkshire way could learn a few lessons in all this.

Let's take it on the chin and move on, like we do time after time, just like good little humble pie eaters.

I think it is mostly the Leeds fans that are like that (I could be wrong but last season when they were hit with injuries etc and sunk down the table- the players didn't blame anyone) and this thread is testament to Wigan fans being awfully similar for complaining.

The Leeds fans blamed injuries for losing. Theres one game gone and we havent lost yet so wheres the similarity? People are just stating they are gutted weve lost a 1st choice player for a massive game. Nobody is making excuses.

Having just re-watched the Soliola tackle I think pleading guilty was correct and if it were anybody else's player I'd be calling for a ban, so I don't think we've any grounds to complain. It certainly looks dangerous to me, his arm was in an awful position. We shouldn't be angry at the RFL, we should be angry at Lima for letting us down. If his statement to the disciplinary board is anything to go by he's either a liar or a liability.

All fans moan wheather it be Wigan fans, Leeds fans, Wire fans or Saints fans and at the end of the day it's our right and it has no real bearing on the mindset of our teams.

The difference with Wigan at the moment in terms of coaching staff and officials to 'some' other sides is that they don't go around making excuses for various things. They take it on the chin and move on. An example of a coach blaming anyone bar his own side is John Kear at the weekend. He blamed the ref for Wakeys poor preformence because he gave so many penalties in the game yet this is the same bloke that last season was crying out for Wigan to be clamped down on by refs during games because they were slowing the game down too much.

He should have been more careful what he wished for.