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| Quote ="AJ"So Wane has declared he wants the job and McGuire isnt going to Souths.
Personally would love Wane as #2 to McGuire, but when we finally reveal who it is, I would love to know the reasons why we made that choice beyond the expected "he deserves a chance".'"
You mean you'd like a list of all the tried and tested coaches we approached first who said 'no', and the various reasons they gave? Because that's what your question really amounts to.
Do you think any chairman would give out that kind of information? Wouldn't it be a tad humiliating for the club?
You might get one or two who perhaps were beyond Wigan's reach for understandable reasons - Wayne Bennett with his disabled kids, etc, who you wouldn't be ashamed to talk about. But if what you really want here is Ian Lenagan to publicise every single rejection letter he's received ...
"Wigan weren't prepared to pay me enough because these days they're very, very stingy," or "Wigan isn't as sexy a place as Sydney" or "Wigan's squad is too crap even for me to guarantee success" or "I like Wigan, but Mr. Lenagan, you're just not as cool an operator as Mo" ...
I think you'll be waiting a long time, and not surprisingly.
Okay, that's an exaggeration. But the alternative isn't much better. Suppose Wigan do appoint Shaun Wane. Instead of saying "he deserves a chance," or "we thought him the best man for the job" - the sort of explanations that you've already decided you won't be satisfied with, would complete clarity really be the way to go?
"Shaun is way inferior to what we really hoped to get, but as no-one else wants to come, we thought we'd give him a shot. I appreciate that this isn't much of an endorsement for Shaun, but we've really no other option at the present time and at least no-one can now accuse us of being dishonest. Shaun starts tomorrow morning by the way - at least I hope so. He probably hasn't seen this press release yet."
This of course a tongue-in-cheek post. But I don't really see what Wigan can do to satisfy you in these circs, other than give Shaun a big vote of confidence. We all know his qualities without Wigan having to list them.
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| Just had a text from my contact in the club
Quote Watch this space!!! Shaun Wane for head coach'"
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| Did he actually spell it like that? What club does he work in, Whelley Ex?
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| Quote ="Cruncher"You mean you'd like a list of all the tried and tested coaches we approached first who said 'no', and the various reasons they gave? Because that's what your question really amounts to.
Do you think any chairman would give out that kind of information? Wouldn't it be a tad humiliating for the club?
You might get one or two who perhaps were beyond Wigan's reach for understandable reasons - Wayne Bennett with his disabled kids, etc, who you wouldn't be ashamed to talk about. But if what you really want here is Ian Lenagan to publicise every single rejection letter he's received ...
"Wigan weren't prepared to pay me enough because these days they're very, very stingy," or "Wigan isn't as sexy a place as Sydney" or "Wigan's squad is too crap even for me to guarantee success" or "I like Wigan, but Mr. Lenagan, you're just not as cool an operator as Mo" ...
I think you'll be waiting a long time, and not surprisingly.
Okay, that's an exaggeration. But the alternative isn't much better. Suppose Wigan do appoint Shaun Wane. Instead of saying "he deserves a chance," or "we thought him the best man for the job" - the sort of explanations that you've already decided you won't be satisfied with, would complete clarity really be the way to go?
"Shaun is way inferior to what we really hoped to get, but as no-one else wants to come, we thought we'd give him a shot. I appreciate that this isn't much of an endorsement for Shaun, but we've really no other option at the present time and at least no-one can now accuse us of being dishonest. Shaun starts tomorrow morning by the way - at least I hope so. He probably hasn't seen this press release yet."
This of course a tongue-in-cheek post. But I don't really see what Wigan can do to satisfy you in these circs, other than give Shaun a big vote of confidence. We all know his qualities without Wigan having to list them.'"
I understand what you mean, and no, I dont think we will find out, but that doesnt mean I wouldnt like to know how IL went about this process, sadly, i suspect we would then find Wane was the last hope rather than the first choice.
Still, if he is the man, I hope he succeeds, I just find it amazing that we couldnt attract some high quality applicants.
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| Quote ="Catalancs"Did he actually spell it like that? What club does he work in, Whelley Ex?'"
New Springs Legion actually
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| Quote ="Cruncher""Shaun is way inferior to what we really hoped to get, but as no-one else wants to come, we thought we'd give him a shot. I appreciate that this isn't much of an endorsement for Shaun, but we've really no other option at the present time and at least no-one can now accuse us of being dishonest. Shaun starts tomorrow morning by the way - at least I hope so. He probably hasn't seen this press release yet."'"
Who said honesty isn't the best policy
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| Quote ="ksm1701"Just had a text from my contact in the club
Watch this space!!! Shaun Wane for head coach
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As I said on page 15 of the 'New coach next year' thread, I got a text from my source in the club after enquiring if they had heard about the Hasler rumour.
They said:
Quote I have very little news I'm afraid with regards to Wigan, don't even think Lenagan knows what he's doing yet!!! I would be VERY surprised if Nobby stays. Think it's pretty much a done deal with him at Celtic but no-one seems to know who's coming in. That's the first time I've heard that name (Hasler) but there's also been Kearney, Dennis Betts, Justin Morgan, the assistant at Melbourne and Shaun Wayne. In the mix so anything could happen..my money would be on Wayney.'"
Now they come back with the text above so it looks as if something has been sorted.
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| Quote ="AJ"I understand what you mean, and no, I dont think we will find out, but that doesnt mean I wouldnt like to know how IL went about this process, sadly, i suspect we would then find Wane was the last hope rather than the first choice.
Still, if he is the man, I hope he succeeds, I just find it amazing that we couldnt attract some high quality applicants.'"
So will I.
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| Was a bloody long text Ksm
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| Quote ="Cruncher"So will I.'"
Not amazing. Unbelieveable would be more like it. We must have had real good quality coaches knocking IL's door down, surely? Have we actually become that unattractive a proposition? Could it be that IL is not willing to pay the going rate for a coach in the same way that he appears to under value prop forwards?
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| Quote ="jinkin jimmy"Could it be that IL is not willing to pay the going rate for a coach in the same way that he appears to under value prop forwards?'"
I think it's become apparent that all recruitment is now on this basis.
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| [urlhttp://www.smh.com.au/news/lhqnews/full-steam-ahead-for-coal-trains-journey-to-souths-despitetaylors-demise/2009/09/17/1252780409413.html[/url
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| my sources at the club, have told me beryl the cleaner will be released from her contract after being caught stealing toilet rolls and mop heads.
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This just means that the reporter has been reading the RL express.
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| New take on the story:
Quote Melbourne assistant Michael Maguire had been strongly linked with the job but, according to sources at the Storm, he has not heard from Wigan boss Ian Lenagan for some time. '"
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| my source within the club also now says its shaun wayne for the job
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| I'm happy for Wane to be given the chance. Actually i'm starting to get excited about the prospect..I just remember the last time a passionate wiganer took over.I'm not saying he'll have the same effect but passion seems lost sometimes with this team..and if Wane is in control the players will show passion are they will be knocked across the dressing room and in the reserves the week after.
We need more than just passion but IMO this side with 1-2 added have what in takes to win.
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| Just when Brian Noble has made some progress with your club, you want to ditch him. You lot remind me of Newcastle United!
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| Quote ="andycapp"Just when Brian Noble has made some progress with your club, you want to ditch him. You lot remind me of Newcastle United!'"
how has he made progress exactly?
EDIT: how has he JUST made progress, he's brought us a long way from when he took over. But from what i remember we finished higher up the league last year, maybe the year before as well.
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| Quote ="andycapp"Just when Brian Noble has made some progress with your club, you want to ditch him. You lot remind me of Newcastle United!'"
Do you mean from when he took over or the beggining of the season?
If you mean from when he took over then yes he definatly has but I don't think he is the man to take us much further.
If you mean from the beggining of the season then your wrong. We always start slow and pick up at the end of the season.
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| Quote ="wigan_knight"I'm happy for Wane to be given the chance. Actually i'm starting to get excited about the prospect..I just remember the last time a passionate wiganer took over.I'm not saying he'll have the same effect but passion seems lost sometimes with this team..and if Wane is in control the players will show passion are they will be knocked across the dressing room and in the reserves the week after.
We need more than just passion but IMO this side with 1-2 added have what in takes to win.'"
Agree if he does as well as Mike Gregory then happy days are not far away....
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| Quote ="jinkin jimmy"Not amazing. Unbelieveable would be more like it. We must have had real good quality coaches knocking IL's door down, surely? Have we actually become that unattractive a proposition? Could it be that IL is not willing to pay the going rate for a coach in the same way that he appears to under value prop forwards?'"
It does seem to be that way doesnt it. I hope he can succeed using this strategy, but he only will, if not winning trophies is his goal. You cant run a club on a shoestring.
Quote Melbourne assistant Michael Maguire had been strongly linked with the job but, according to sources at the Storm, he has not heard from Wigan boss Ian Lenagan for some time. Parramatta under-20s coach David Fairleigh and Roosters defensive coach Adrian Lam were other names mentioned. But it now appears the former glamour club is set to promote from within, with The Guardian reporting that Wane - Wigan's academy coach and a former player - is emerging as the surprise favourite.'"
Which suggests he has been spoken to, but why has he not been approached/offered the job, when on the face of it, he would seem the best candidate from that list. I am stunned there is no higher profile people on the list however.
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| Quote ="AJ"It does seem to be that way doesnt it. I hope he can succeed using this strategy, but he only will, if not winning trophies is his goal. You cant run a club on a shoestring.'"
IL goes to Oz to sign a prop and a half back, signs neither and then decrees the home grown player route is the way to go.
He then looks to sign an NRL coach or assistant coach, fails and then decrees the home grown route for a coach is the way to go.
Is that too cynical a view?
I am sure some will think the home grown player route plus home grown coach will be great but I am sure a lot of fans who aren't as obsessed as the people who use this message board will just think "no star players, no star coach".
If we had one or the other (one or two star players coming in or star coach) I think people would be optimistic but going with the same squad and Wane as coach is a huge gamble.
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| Quote ="DaveO"IL goes to Oz to sign a prop and a half back, signs neither and then decrees the home grown player route is the way to go.
He then looks to sign an NRL coach or assistant coach, fails and then decrees the home grown route for a coach is the way to go.
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Its a view you will get slated for, but is one that is based in fact.
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If we had one or the other (one or two star players coming in or star coach) I think people would be optimistic but going with the same squad and Wane as coach is a huge gamble.
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It is, but it is also a cheaper way of doing things..
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| We are putting the wiganner aspect in at every level of the club.
Owner is a wiganer, the coach will be a wiganer and players will be mainly through the ranks. There will be no shortage of passion.
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