Too cryptic?

The club used you last night and didn't tell the truth.

I'm gutted, Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't think I was so naive
I'll make sure I let everyone I know that was there know they're mugs as well.

I believed IL when he told me the financial situation, the reduced income, how the shortfall was met, will be met this year and their forecast for 2020. Their intentions of things went well, and what if they didn't.
I believed him/rads when they told us some average stuff about Hardaker
I believed him when he told me bad news on numerous fronts
I'll just remember now that it was ALL lies

They should have listened to the mystery guy in row 2 who didn't when he got chance call out the lies, but instead preferred to text his mate who in turn won't actually explain what lies they told, but is alright calling everyone that went in effect mugs.

How did your mate feel being used? Is he a Mug?

You obviously like your cryptic posts, fair enough
I'll do it a bit more straight forward

Once again, just point out which bit was lies, give us this "list".

It doesn't sit well with me that Jukes is put in a situation where has to expend his free time explaining things, and, indeed, if you will, defending IL/KR.

And doing it with good grace too. But the process doesn't seem right to me.

I am not pointing the finger or have sufficient information to accuse anybody of lying. (Not aimed at Jukes in any way)

What I can't understand is the cloak and dagger approach to the whole evening . The information given out by IL and KR was always going to come out in some form . Surley it would be better for the fans to hear it verbatim from the club instead of second hand where mistakes or misunderstandings can cause problems . Which it clearly has done and creates conspiracy theories as I stated previously.

Regards EW

The club are allowed to change their mind about updating twitter, which clearly they did, because the website post now says there will be no updates at all. They're entitled to do that, and it would appear they did.

As for the lies accusation.....

IMO 5 people max will know what happened with Edwards as 100% fact.

Rads
Lenegan
Edwards
His agent
Club lawyer (possibly his lawyer to make 6)

Anything else from anyone else is hearsay. As this thread is showing, people will read or hear what they want to. So whilst people may have been told from a particular source what happened they will only actually run with the bit they want to that suits their narrative.

The Edwards thing has happened, it's over. If I'm honest I think he'd have gone the first RU job he was offered anyway so was hardly going to be long term.

I was more concerned that the club has no debt, has future plans to rectify things and is basically still here because IL agreed to cover a substantial financial loss from his own pocket.

Some supporters who could not be bothered to get a ticket and attend the forum and even make excuses of why they could not attend sure have a lot to say about what took place.

I may have been critical of Lenagan and Radlinski myself, but like Juke Says and Egg Chasing who I have run in's with, I am prepared to listen to what Lenagan and Radlinski had to say about the situation at the club and not spend time having a go at them or indeed anyone else who did attend, implying that they have been brainwashed.

No matter what Lenagan and Radlinski had to say in their defence, some supporters had set their stalls out not to listen from the moment that the forum was announced.

Not heard anyone say they couldn't get a ticket because they'd run out yet. Bit like that time people wanted fan points even though we only ever fully sold out 1 game.

I do struggle to get my head round the club not sharing details of what was discussed. That seems like a great way for Chinese whispers to start, and is bound to cause some disgruntlement. Plus telling only 120 fans isn't really an effective way to communicate, unless the aim was more to get an idea of the views of the fans.

Having said that, tickets were free and didn't sell out quickly, so I don't really sympathise too much with people who are kicking off about it either. OK some people couldn't make it, but that's life. It's not like we have a right to this information. FWIW I don't think the club lied about the updates, more likely there has been a mistake somewhere along the way. It's not like they would gain anything by it.

Jukesays and others who went don't deserve to be piled on for what they share or don't share about the forum. They aren't club spokesmen and as we can already see from what Jukesays has told us, it can be quite a time consuming process answering everyone's questions, and his answers will only be based on what he remembers and interprets from what was said.

Real shame this wan't put on Wigan TV. Could've saved club stooges running on here every 5 minutes frantically trying to defend IL & KR at every turn.

The main apologist, I'm informed, is absolutely desperate for a role at the club.
I suspect the flavour of these posts can be read against that backdrop

The club's in a tail spin. Take more than a couple of happy clappers to convince me otherwise

'Happy clappers' ... 'stooges' ...

Seriously, mate. Go and follow a different club. You'll be a lot happier.

I've already given a list - it should be pretty obvious that if I go into detail it would identify the person involved in the Edwards situation which I'm clearly not going to do. They had absolutely no reason to tell me what they did ( I didn't know they were involved first hand until they told me), but it doesn't show the cub in a very good light, and events since continue that trend.

Without trawling through all the posts again, I dont think you have provided a "list".
I still say, based on what Rads said, it would be very easy to point out which bit or bits he said was a lie.(Bearing in mind I have nonidea what your mystery man told you IL/Rads said?).

TBH the whole Edwards thing lasted less then 2 mins, Rads had 90secs max were he didn't back IL against anything to do with contracts, the process etc etc.,

He only refuted/disagreed with 2 statements that Edwards made at the time or shortly after the event and he explained why.
Neither of which are mind blowing, they're both a he said/she said situation and IMO hardly worth worrying about.
It would be easy to say henlied about x, and based on what he said I'm not sure how it would get anyone in any trouble but hey ho.
Interestingly enough my best mate is a mate of Edwards and he told me about a month ago what Edwards told him. It is what it is.

IMO I don't think IL/Rads told the whole truth on a couple of points last night because "I Know" certain things. I do however understand that there may be reasons for that, contractual, legal etc. And probably more importantly because we still have to deal with people involved in those situations. And from my point of view I'm not that desperate to come on a forum and call them out, prove them wrong etc because I understand that a/ i may not be right b/complex situations aren't usually black and white, right and wrong and opinions/context etc play big parts.

I also wouldn't want to betray confidences etc.
But I won't come on here and call them Liars etc though, I just accept that there will always be an element of grey about situations.

There weren't any grey areas in terms of Edwards - it was black and white, hence why I called them out. The club said they would do something during the forum in terms of communication - they didn't, again black and white.

"my mate told me something but i'm not going to tell you what he told me or who he is, but he told me"

Aaaaah. That old chestnut.

I still think it's ridiculous that there has been a blackout around the fans forum. I'm getting a bit sick of cryptic posts. Either share what you know or don't say anything at all. There will be plenty of frustrated people who would have liked to have gone and got answers but couldn't because of other commitments, including myself. However, the club stated there would be live updates on Twitter, which did not materialise, and now there are still no updates two days later. I find all the cloak and dagger secrecy VERY weird!! It's all well and good people posting on Twitter that they're happy and it was open and transparent, but it's clearly not is it. What about the hundreds/thousands of fans who are regularly investing time and money into the club, yet still being kept in the dark? I feel personally that season ticket holders are treated with contempt and have been some time, as we are merely seen as 'guaranteed income' and i'm getting sick of it. I've felt disillusioned for some time now and the only reason i've renewed over the past couple of seasons is to keep my season ticket seat, however with it currently being in the 'red zone' and those being the only seats that are unavailable, i'm becoming increasingly less likely to renew next season.

I have to say it's a unique way of communicating with fans - say you're doing a fans forum at short notice, confirm the (unpopular?) coach is leaving a few hour before, limit it to 120 people, say you'll provide updates and then don't, ask the 120 to "keep our little secrets" and two days later have no official confirmation of ANY information that was said and given out.

its caused more questions than answers, kind of counter productive

They don't help themselves sometimes do they.

You didn't really call them out though did you?
Your mate on the night didn't either?

You've just called them liars and then won't tell anyone why whilst insinuatiing that EVERYTHIG they told us with lies, coupled with petty name calling of thise that went.

I've called them out on here.

The person at the forum doesn't know the detailed info I have about the Edwards situation.

I've already said the info they gave out about Edwards is incorrect.

What annoys me is as someone has pointed out, some Twitter users have said it was very “open and transparent”. We’ll that’s very good for them but what about those whose life got in the way? It’s beyond ridiculous that 2 days later there’s still a club silence. What was said probably wasn’t been groundbreaking stuff but that’s beside the point. The whole mantra of “we’ll try to communicate better” is a complete joke.

I dont really care about Edwards, Burgess, Williams. All done now and consigned to history. We cant change what happened.

What i do care about is the sustainability of the club going forward and in particular the relationship with the owners of the DW stadium.

Why is it that 120 supporters get to know bits about this yet the rest of us are not deemed worthy of what the future holds in terms of how much of our hard earned cash is going to go indirectly to the Latics so they can pay £10k a week for dud players?

Over to those "ITK"....

I'll call your mate out on here
I've no idea what he's said, as you won't tell us, but I'm going to call him out as a liar

(Reality is i dont really care, but I'm you know, ill play your little game).

Negotiations are still ongoing with Wigan Ath

I have had a profile on this site for a while and this is the first time I've posted anything for years. I completely agree with the above sentiment in full as it pretty much sums up my position at the moment. A season ticket holder for 25 years and this is the first time I've contemplated not renewing. I feel that I'm just falling out of love with Wigan and am also disillusioned with what has and hasn't happened over the last few years. The way loyal fans are being treated over the forum issue is poor at best but that isn't the single reason though it has brought things to a head for me.