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| Quote ="Stu M"This isn’t hyperbole but on Good Friday we genuinely could be looking at 11 v 11
With a capacity crowd and a hostile atmosphere it could happen.'"
If they carry on with the bans that 11 v 11 might be from kick off!
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| I’m going to Hudds today with my eldest lad. He’s 13 and wants to tick off the away grounds now like I did at a similar age. He’s been to Wigan, Salford and Leeds and now obviously wants to do more.
However there’s a very real chance the game could be ruined by a controversial decision. Granted we are no angels but there’s a real worry in me that a Sironen/Matautia walks early doors and it’s game over.
It’s a strange feeling going to games at the moment
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| Quote ="Cruncher"I mostly agree with this. I'd argue that player welfare is important, but it's also plain that the best and surest way to protect players is for them not to participate at all.
It's their choice. As it always has been.
No one is forced to play rugby league. And anyone who says they didn't know how dangerous it was is simply lying. They shouldn't even be given the time of day, never mind be allowed to put a court case together.
In all honesty, I don't know what rankles with me more: the fact this is happening just when we were entering a new age of mass publicity, or the names of some of the players who are causing it.
You talk about two-bit troublemakers. That doesn't even come close to describing them.'"
Sadly, like so much usualy does, it comes down to money. Some ex-players and grubby lawyers have a sniff of getting a big payout and hang the consequences - if it destroys the game which gave them a living originally then that doesn't bother their conscience one iota (assuming they have one).
Both codes of rugby are going the the same way (with RU a bit further along) - as a consequence of the blame someone else culture and the contant using of the latest information and current hand-wringing thiking to apply to the past (happening in so many areas not just sport). Sadly RL is too small in this country - if the ex-players win big then it could be disastorous.
Sport is about entertainment - that is something that a lot of sports are loosing sight of.
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| When you hear about the insurance issues, it’s clearly a money problem and we don’t have the finance to make it go away. I look at football and they started making a thing of concussions last year but even when players clashed heads or looked dazed from an elbow or similar they didn’t really bother doing anything, even though they’d brought in new protocols. This season I hear nothing of it whatsoever. It’s just brushed under the carpet and I can only think the lack of a threat of financial oblivion makes it easy to turn a blind eye.
It’s been much the same for years with things like recreational drugs use. Rugby League players picking up bans of 2 years here and there, whereas football players must have all been squeaky clean and living an athletes life…honest! The same goes for legal cases, were trials miraculously fall apart or not guilty verdicts come through against all odds. A certain player from a Merseyside club was accused of a crime around 18 months ago and seems to have just disappeared of the face of the earth since and it doesn’t get spoke of. I’m in no way one of those conspiracy theory nuts but I’ve no doubt money is helping.
Rugby League looks to be an easy target for ambulance chasers and insurance companies. How we break that is anyone’s guess. A breakaway league? The NRL taking us over? Player waivers? Not a clue tbh but I hope somebody has.
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Quote ="apollosghost"Is there still a "sending off sufficient" option in the disciplinary ?
It will be absolutely shocking if Nu Brown gets a ban on top of that sending off.
He's made a brilliant statement about last night
https://www.seriousaboutrl.com/there-ha ... WA4G2s3hIE'"
He puts it very well, and somehow manages to keep a lid on his emotions.
The line in the sand has to come before 2025. That will be the point of no return.
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Quote ="apollosghost"Is there still a "sending off sufficient" option in the disciplinary ?
It will be absolutely shocking if Nu Brown gets a ban on top of that sending off.
He's made a brilliant statement about last night
https://www.seriousaboutrl.com/there-ha ... WA4G2s3hIE'"
He puts it very well, and somehow manages to keep a lid on his emotions.
The line in the sand has to come before 2025. That will be the point of no return.
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| Quote ="Stu M"I’m going to Hudds today with my eldest lad. He’s 13 and wants to tick off the away grounds now like I did at a similar age. He’s been to Wigan, Salford and Leeds and now obviously wants to do more.
However there’s a very real chance the game could be ruined by a controversial decision. Granted we are no angels but there’s a real worry in me that a Sironen/Matautia walks early doors and it’s game over.
It’s a strange feeling going to games at the moment'"
The sad fact is that many games will no longer be decided by skill. Something needs to change fast or the majority of rugby fans will become disillusioned.
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| Quote ="Zig"The sad fact is that many games will no longer be decided by skill. Something needs to change fast or the majority of rugby fans will become disillusioned.'"
Two things professional sport needs, players and spectators and the governing body is currently alienating both groups, as Nu Brown says above it really is line in the sand time
Edit, match day officials as well, the refs must be dreading going on to the field
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| Jon Wilkin raised a good point yesterday, why don't they do what RU do, sin bin the player and it gives 10 minutes to review the decision, if it is bad, the card gets changed, and the player cant return. it takes the crowd out of the equation, and allows refs to take time to decide if its a red or not.
its not perfect but if they make a mistake its a sin bin at worst
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| Quote ="Lazy J"Jon Wilkin raised a good point yesterday, why don't they do what RU do, sin bin the player and it gives 10 minutes to review the decision, if it is bad, the card gets changed, and the player cant return. it takes the crowd out of the equation, and allows refs to take time to decide if its a red or not.
its not perfect but if they make a mistake its a sin bin at worst'"
The problem is, that by the letters of the law that red card last night was technically the correct decision so the outcome would have been the same in that instance.
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| If the players are all for the rules and really worried about head damage , why aren't they wearing skull caps ? Lomax seems worried enough to wear one due to previous injuries , but the other 99% are too stupid for their own good ?
This will kill the game , for now I am done watching .
A lot of people haven't worked out yet that when someone comes along with money and does things for your safety and to protect you , its usually not going to be for your own good .
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| Quote ="doc999"If the players are all for the rules and really worried about head damage ,[u why aren't they wearing skull caps [/u? Lomax seems worried enough to wear one due to previous injuries , but the other 99% are too stupid for their own good ?
This will kill the game , for now I am done watching .
A lot of people haven't worked out yet that when someone comes along with money and does things for your safety and to protect you , its usually not going to be for your own good .'"
I said this to the mrs the other night. Problem with head injuries? Compulsory skull caps
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| The line you always hear with scrum caps though is that they do nothing to protect the brain, they’ll just stop things like cuts and bruises.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"The line you always hear with scrum caps though is that they do nothing to protect the brain, they’ll just stop things like cuts and bruises.'"
Alcohol also damages the brain and most players drink it , if you look at the madness over the last 4 years , this is just more of the same .
You need to wear a mask if you stand up , but you can take it off sat down , if your on a plane then you need to wear it sat down but not standing up , but you can take it off if your eating .
A man can now be a woman just by declaring it .
Rugby league is on the slippery slope .
Fast forward 10 years and rugby might be declared too dangerous , so we just need to stay at home and play it using VR goggles.
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| How on earth was that Wigan try in the second half allowed! even though i have always been a Wigan fan i think refs are playing to the crowds! tonights game should have been played at neutral venue with a neutral refs
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| Quote ="MR FRISK"How on earth was that Wigan try in the second half allowed! even though i have always been a Wigan fan i think refs are playing to the crowds! tonights game should have been played at neutral venue with a neutral refs
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Easy , you give the on field try , show a couple of inconclusive angles , award the try and then try and off most fans by showing the angle which showed he wasn’t over the line . Amazing how the commentators didn’t mention this…
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| Back on the topic of head high tackles tonight proved you can have a tough, exciting & attritional game of rugby league without head high tackles if players concentrate and get heir technique right.
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| If the game can continue to thrive in Australia (and it is doing), I see no reason why it can't thrive here too.
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| No ban for Nu Brown but the rl put out a statement on how to polish a turd
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| Making it up as they go along
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Making it up as they go along'"
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Making it up as they go along'"
Disagree. The statement acknowledges that the wording of the rule about head to head contact was incorrect. They’ve called a meeting to clarify and change it to initial head to head contact and allow discretion when it comes to accidental secondary contact.
They could have buried their heads in the sand and pretended the rule was correct. On this occasion I’d applaud how they’ve handled it.
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| Quote ="Trainman"Disagree. The statement acknowledges that the wording of the rule about head to head contact was incorrect. They’ve called a meeting to clarify and change it to initial head to head contact and allow discretion when it comes to accidental secondary contact.
They could have buried their heads in the sand and pretended the rule was correct. On this occasion I’d applaud how they’ve handled it.'"
I agree. They just need to admit they got the Wardle one wrong now and award the result to Penrith retrospectively....
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| Quote ="Trainman"Disagree. The statement acknowledges that the wording of the rule about head to head contact was incorrect. They’ve called a meeting to clarify and change it to initial head to head contact and allow discretion when it comes to accidental secondary contact.
They could have buried their heads in the sand and pretended the rule was correct. On this occasion I’d applaud how they’ve handled it.'"
It’s probably a harsh comment but surely you have it right come the start of the season? Anyway, they’ve at least acted now and It’s at least hopefully a sign that they’re prepared to listen to people’s concerns.
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