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| Quote ="doc999"If you read KW other posts he advocated a proper expansion rather than this half hearted attempt we have now ,'"
Half-hearted attempt? A proper expansion?
Proper expansion is exactly what is going on at the moment. A comprehensive schools programme, a massive increase in junior rugby league at community clubs, increased participation in FE and HE, increased participation at Open Age, scholarship programmes, U18's and U20's, a Championship 1 club and a SL club.
Quote ="doc999" i mean Fulham have been round since the 80's then london crusaders, broncos, quins , they might have some school and amatuer interest and 10 homegrown players in the team , '"
You're making my point. As Fulham, they just imported players from up North and hoped to get a crowd on. Some school and amateur interest? It is growing far faster than any other region.
Quote ="doc999"but they have failed to attract the crowds and the RFL have failed to grow the game , and seriously do you feel the same when quins are on sky sports or do you feel slightly let down?'"
The crowd isn't the key. After years of trying to get the crowds up at Quins/Broncos/Fulham with nothing underneath, the 'fur coat and no knickers' policy has been replaced by a proper sports development model. It will take many years before there is much noticeable difference to the crowds.
Quote ="doc999"No one is saying kick them out , but if you keep it as it is then youll be debating the same thing in 20 years about the same poop crowds and a failing team etc etc '"
That is exactly what both you and King Warrior said. With the changes implemented over the last few years, things will be entirely different 20 years from now, as long as the flat earthers don't get their way.
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| Quote ="Under the sticks"And this is a post from someone who has allegedly made over 10,000 postings.......this has been debated to death for years.........I don`t think you have the faintest idea what is going on in London, but hey feel free to comment on what we should do and where we are going wrong......I give up
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Put your handbag down dear. Why the number of posts I've made should have anything to do with it God only knows.
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Being fair though Doc, as a Leigh fan, isn't going to be pro expansion because it just shoves Leigh further down the pecking order.
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| Quote ="Conroy"Being fair though Doc, as a Leigh fan, isn't going to be pro expansion because it just shoves Leigh further down the pecking order.'"
hehe , not at all
Leigh are nothing to do with this , I also dont think Leigh could sustain being a super league club either and we have found our level in the modern day game .
London are no different , yet the rest of the league suffers having to subsidise them , I also didnt mean kick them out I meant ifd they are not self sufficient let them go bankrupt or fold up or even drop to the first division, they can still carry with there youth programme in this division . If you read my post it said 2 teams in London for rivalry , 1 midlands, 1 cumbria and thinking about it Newcastle could be a good spot aswell. but to say after 30 years of trying that everything is different now and things will be different in another 20 is a pipe dream. |
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| Quote ="doc999"hehe , not at all '"
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| Quote ="Bridger"Probably the most stupid, short-sighted comment in the history of RL Fans. Congrats.
There are more children playing rugby league in the South East of England than the North West. Why? Because of the Quins RL brand and their community coaches.
How many schools from Wigan & Leigh Service Area were in the finals of the Carnegie Schools Cahmpionships this year? None. Wigan & Leigh, the RL hotbed.
How many from London? 2.
If we don't have a SL club in London, then there is an incomplete pathway for these kids. Quins have used 10 homegrown players this season in SL, more than most clubs.
They had a horrendous start with injuries which has really rocked them this season, otherwise they would have been pushing for the play-offs.
Quins (or a SL club in London) are a critical part of the sustainable growth of rugby league, as are Crusaders, Catalans, Gateshead, London Skolars, South Wales et al.
Unfortunately for the people who are doing some outstanding development work around those clubs, some muppets in the RL heartlands think that the development of our sport is based solely upon the crowds of 1 or 2 clubs.
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Yeah bridger whats school boy finals got to do with anything?
Look at all super league and nl clubs how many players from london are in them?
Look at all super league and nl clubs how many players from up north are in them?
If they was soooo good why do they have to sign old aussie players and has beens?
Take a look of course the old clique on here will be straight over your posts like rouges fact is your argument is flawed how long have quins tried to break london?
who cares if they brought 10 players through?
That last statement is the reason why they will NEVER be a big club i've spoke to loads of players who didn't make it and are better than half that quins squad but the standard up here is so high they dont get a shot |
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| Quote ="Bridger"Half-hearted attempt? A proper expansion?
Proper expansion is exactly what is going on at the moment. A comprehensive schools programme, a massive increase in junior rugby league at community clubs, increased participation in FE and HE, increased participation at Open Age, scholarship programmes, U18's and U20's, a Championship 1 club and a SL club.
You're making my point. As Fulham, they just imported players from up North and hoped to get a crowd on. Some school and amateur interest? It is growing far faster than any other region.
The crowd isn't the key. After years of trying to get the crowds up at Quins/Broncos/Fulham with nothing underneath, the 'fur coat and no knickers' policy has been replaced by a proper sports development model. It will take many years before there is much noticeable difference to the crowds.
That is exactly what both you and King Warrior said. With the changes implemented over the last few years, things will be entirely different 20 years from now, as long as the flat earthers don't get their way.
Rugby league faces 2 choices: expand or die!'" Bridger what was quins, catalan and crusaders brought into super league for?
Thats right to expand rugby league make the sport bigger try and break london well quess what it hasn't happened and it WONT in london that city is football through and through
The atmosphere at that ground on match day is bad enough to send anyone asleep (talking about the home fans) most of them look like they have been forced to church on a sunday what does that say?
Kick them out and be done they have wasted enough money and before you start with the old 'ah kw allways making stupid comments' i dont care i have the balls to say stuff on here what other dont because they dont want to be out the clique |
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That won't be happening either - the only reason we got the Olympics is because Lord Coe built the bid around an "athletics legacy" and the Olympic Stadium was a key part of that.
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Quote ="king warrior" Bridger what was quins, catalan and crusaders brought into super league for?
Thats right to expand rugby league make the sport bigger try and break london well quess what it hasn't happened and it WONT in london that city is football through and through '"
All the home fans from Quins, Catalans and Crusaders ARE expansion. If those clubs weren't there, those people wouldn't be attending rugby league matches.
You need to understand that long term sustainable expansion of the game of rugby league has very little to do with SL crowds directly. Also, nobody is suggesting that RL is going to 'break London'. It doesn't need to. There are enough people there for every sport.
Quote ="king warrior"The atmosphere at that ground on match day is bad enough to send anyone asleep (talking about the home fans) most of them look like they have been forced to church on a sunday what does that say?'"
No different to the DW Stadium at most matches. Terrible atmosphere. Same at Odsal.
Quote ="king warrior"Kick them out and be done they have wasted enough money and before you start with the old 'ah kw allways making stupid comments' i dont care i have the balls to say stuff on here what other dont because they dont want to be out the clique '"
I am not aware of a clique and I'm pretty sure therefore that I'm not in it. It's not about having the balls to say something that is different to what other people are saying, it's about thinking before you type and understanding the subject matter.
Whether you like it or not, without the development being done in London and the South East, Wales and the North East, rugby league would be in deep trouble.
As a precentage, the numbers of people participating in sport and watching live sport are falling across the whole country. This isn't just effecting RL but all sports. Sport England, County Sports Partnerships and other agencies are only interested in investing in and working with NGB's that are determined to increase participation through diversity and expansion. Rugby League is recognised by those people as one of the leading NGB's in development. If we shut up shop in the North of England, we will wither and die.
Check out the links below if you get chance and then make a decision on whether you think RL is only worth pursuing in the M62 corridor and Cumbria:
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Thats right to expand rugby league make the sport bigger try and break london well quess what it hasn't happened and it WONT in london that city is football through and through '"
All the home fans from Quins, Catalans and Crusaders ARE expansion. If those clubs weren't there, those people wouldn't be attending rugby league matches.
You need to understand that long term sustainable expansion of the game of rugby league has very little to do with SL crowds directly. Also, nobody is suggesting that RL is going to 'break London'. It doesn't need to. There are enough people there for every sport.
Quote ="king warrior"The atmosphere at that ground on match day is bad enough to send anyone asleep (talking about the home fans) most of them look like they have been forced to church on a sunday what does that say?'"
No different to the DW Stadium at most matches. Terrible atmosphere. Same at Odsal.
Quote ="king warrior"Kick them out and be done they have wasted enough money and before you start with the old 'ah kw allways making stupid comments' i dont care i have the balls to say stuff on here what other dont because they dont want to be out the clique '"
I am not aware of a clique and I'm pretty sure therefore that I'm not in it. It's not about having the balls to say something that is different to what other people are saying, it's about thinking before you type and understanding the subject matter.
Whether you like it or not, without the development being done in London and the South East, Wales and the North East, rugby league would be in deep trouble.
As a precentage, the numbers of people participating in sport and watching live sport are falling across the whole country. This isn't just effecting RL but all sports. Sport England, County Sports Partnerships and other agencies are only interested in investing in and working with NGB's that are determined to increase participation through diversity and expansion. Rugby League is recognised by those people as one of the leading NGB's in development. If we shut up shop in the North of England, we will wither and die.
Check out the links below if you get chance and then make a decision on whether you think RL is only worth pursuing in the M62 corridor and Cumbria:
www.northeastrl.co.uk/?divisionTab=78
www.walesrugbyleague.co.uk/
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Surely the problem with Quins is they simply don't appear to viable commercially? Despite all the good work that apparently goes on off the pitch they have seemingly nearly gone bust (again).
The key question for me has got to be why isn't all that work off the pitch and all these youngsters now playing the game as a result of Quins community programs translating into much bigger crowds for Quins?
It's no good spreading the Gospel if no one comes to church!
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Quote ="Bridger"All the home fans from Quins, Catalans and Crusaders ARE expansion. If those clubs weren't there, those people wouldn't be attending rugby league matches.
You need to understand that long term sustainable expansion of the game of rugby league has very little to do with SL crowds directly. Also, nobody is suggesting that RL is going to 'break London'. It doesn't need to. There are enough people there for every sport.
No different to the DW Stadium at most matches. Terrible atmosphere. Same at Odsal.
I am not aware of a clique and I'm pretty sure therefore that I'm not in it. It's not about having the balls to say something that is different to what other people are saying, it's about thinking before you type and understanding the subject matter.
Whether you like it or not, without the development being done in London and the South East, Wales and the North East, rugby league would be in deep trouble.
As a precentage, the numbers of people participating in sport and watching live sport are falling across the whole country. This isn't just effecting RL but all sports. Sport England, County Sports Partnerships and other agencies are only interested in investing in and working with NGB's that are determined to increase participation through diversity and expansion. Rugby League is recognised by those people as one of the leading NGB's in development. If we shut up shop in the North of England, we will wither and die.
Check out the links below if you get chance and then make a decision on whether you think RL is only worth pursuing in the M62 corridor and Cumbria:
www.northeastrl.co.uk/?divisionTab=78
www.walesrugbyleague.co.uk/
www.londonrl.com/'" First off the london link aint working googled it and still not so must be down
The thing is quins average att in 2009 was 3,436 and there biggest crowd was in 1996 which was 9,638 are you telling me quins are making any money what so ever?
The rfl are giving them money why not put it elsewhere like big screens at all games or bring through new refs?
Rugby league would be in trouble if it wasn't for london and wales are you for real? 90% of players are from the north fact, i have no doubt rugby league could take off in france and wales but the way the rfl did it let a bad taste in everyones mouth
I dont know if you was being serious about the atmosphere at the dw it is nowhere near 1500 people talking not chanting landan come on we have tons of songs a drum man
Sport in england is dying off cause there is a bunch of greedy ****s who get overpaied and want more i've said it a million times rugby league players are way underpaied and i suppose we are to blame for that buying trophies for years but in the end it cost us central park and you could say that started the fall of us over the last 10 years having whelan in charge |
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Quote ="Bridger"All the home fans from Quins, Catalans and Crusaders ARE expansion. If those clubs weren't there, those people wouldn't be attending rugby league matches.
You need to understand that long term sustainable expansion of the game of rugby league has very little to do with SL crowds directly. Also, nobody is suggesting that RL is going to 'break London'. It doesn't need to. There are enough people there for every sport.
No different to the DW Stadium at most matches. Terrible atmosphere. Same at Odsal.
I am not aware of a clique and I'm pretty sure therefore that I'm not in it. It's not about having the balls to say something that is different to what other people are saying, it's about thinking before you type and understanding the subject matter.
Whether you like it or not, without the development being done in London and the South East, Wales and the North East, rugby league would be in deep trouble.
As a precentage, the numbers of people participating in sport and watching live sport are falling across the whole country. This isn't just effecting RL but all sports. Sport England, County Sports Partnerships and other agencies are only interested in investing in and working with NGB's that are determined to increase participation through diversity and expansion. Rugby League is recognised by those people as one of the leading NGB's in development. If we shut up shop in the North of England, we will wither and die.
Check out the links below if you get chance and then make a decision on whether you think RL is only worth pursuing in the M62 corridor and Cumbria:
www.northeastrl.co.uk/?divisionTab=78
www.walesrugbyleague.co.uk/
www.londonrl.com/'" First off the london link aint working googled it and still not so must be down
The thing is quins average att in 2009 was 3,436 and there biggest crowd was in 1996 which was 9,638 are you telling me quins are making any money what so ever?
The rfl are giving them money why not put it elsewhere like big screens at all games or bring through new refs?
Rugby league would be in trouble if it wasn't for london and wales are you for real? 90% of players are from the north fact, i have no doubt rugby league could take off in france and wales but the way the rfl did it let a bad taste in everyones mouth
I dont know if you was being serious about the atmosphere at the dw it is nowhere near 1500 people talking not chanting landan come on we have tons of songs a drum man
Sport in england is dying off cause there is a bunch of greedy ****s who get overpaied and want more i've said it a million times rugby league players are way underpaied and i suppose we are to blame for that buying trophies for years but in the end it cost us central park and you could say that started the fall of us over the last 10 years having whelan in charge | |
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read the thread , we have already said Rugby is a good idea and can survive down south etc, just not the half hearted way they have gone about it .
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| Quote ="DaveO"Surely the problem with Quins is they simply don't appear to viable commercially? Despite all the good work that apparently goes on off the pitch they have seemingly nearly gone bust (again).
The key question for me has got to be why isn't all that work off the pitch and all these youngsters now playing the game as a result of Quins community programs translating into much bigger crowds for Quins?
It's no good spreading the Gospel if no one comes to church!
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I think Brian Carney made a good point on Boots yesterday, in that maybe they're spreading the net too wide. My son's college in South London has just started up a RL team for the first time ever (and he's loving the training already) with involvement from the Quins coaching staff. The thing is, although it's still London, it would him as long to get to a Quins game as it does for me, from Wigan. IMO, they need to be concentrating on a much more local area. |
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Why- Playing and watching may not have a link- development is to produce players not supporters although you would hope that comes with the package
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| Quote ="Geoff"I think Brian Carney made a good point on Boots yesterday, in that maybe they're spreading the net too wide. My son's college in South London has just started up a RL team for the first time ever (and he's loving the training already) with involvement from the Quins coaching staff. The thing is, although =#FF0000it's still London, it would him as long to get to a Quins game as it does for me, from Wigan. IMO, they need to be concentrating on a much more local area.'"
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Yeah, but it's spreading awareness of the game in an area where it's not well known. Suppose friends and family go to watch a student playing League, and some then realise what a good game it is to watch. Maybe promote discounted Quins tickets for them, too? |
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[url=http://www.league.quins.co.uk/news/12266.phpStatement[/url
Hardly a major announcement, more a confirmation that the rumours of their demise are untrue. Says that the RFL have found a way of Hughes taking 100% of the ownership though, so not sure what part Lenegan has to play in that.
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let them drop to the 1st division then , they can carry on with the youth development and pay less wages to players .
the truth is we want to grow the sport to gain more supporters, end off
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| Quote ="king warrior"I dont know if you was being serious about the atmosphere at the dw it is nowhere near 1500 people talking not chanting landan come on we have tons of songs a drum man'"
So the DW has a great atmosphere? Disjointed singing and drum banging (which a lot of people don't like)? A quiet West Stand, an occasionally empty North Stand and open corners don't help create atmosphere.
And you call the Londoners for chanting 'Landan', when we chant 'Wigan', which also very similar to 'Castleford', 'Catalans' etc.
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