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| Quote ="Geoff"A bunch of us were talking about exactly that in the Central after the match. Burgess, Gildart, Farrell, Williams will do a lot of destruction this season if they can all stay fit. In fact, it would be difficult to find a better quartet for the England positions, in my not so humble opinion (adding in the factor of the understanding they have between themselves) ...though other clubs fans may not agree!'"
I hope that is what is picked for England in the world cup. The one I'm most desperate to be included is Liam Farrell. He's taken some stick at international level for not being big enough and even I've been fooled at points in to thinking that but that clearly isn't an issue. The issue at international level is that he hasn't been given the game time he needs to excel. He has a Rolls Royce of an engine and he plays at a greater intensity then his opposite number each week for a longer period of time. He should be picked in that second row and play 80 minutes of every game in the World Cup. He's easily the most under-rated player in superleague.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"I hope that is what is picked for England in the world cup. The one I'm most desperate to be included is Liam Farrell. He's taken some stick at international level for not being big enough and even I've been fooled at points in to thinking that but that clearly isn't an issue. The issue at international level is that he hasn't been given the game time he needs to excel. He has a Rolls Royce of an engine and he plays at a greater intensity then his opposite number each week for a longer period of time. He should be picked in that second row and play 80 minutes of every game in the World Cup. He's easily the most under-rated player in superleague.'"
Completely agree. When you are in a hole and you desperately need ten metres it is Faz who delivers every time. When you need a break, more often than not, he delivers too.
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| Quote ="Singing Warrior"[listI'm not a betting man but I have just placed a bet on a rank outsider to win top try scorer this season. When I saw the odds for Gildart at 66 - 1 I couldn't resist but to put a tenner on him. He knows the way to the whitewash and has already got two in the first match. With Joe outside him I think he will get loads of opportunities. He wouldn't be my favourite to finish top but at that price he is worth a punt. [/list:u'"
Well there you go - game 2 and he gets another brace. I think those odds will soon be coming down.
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| He's started like a house on fire! He's a nailed on cert for a World Cup spot if this continues.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"He's started like a house on fire! He's a nailed on cert for a World Cup spot if this continues.
Great to see.'"
Awesome, looks like a real breakthrough year.
Gelling hasnt started too well in contrast.
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| I felt like Gildart was poor in defence tonight.
But Gelling hasn't played well yet this season.
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| Gildart was no worse in defence than anyone else. But again our left edge won it for us. Tommys kicking was woeful again. Time after time Matty saw us home in tight games last year. Just what was Tommy doing on that last set?
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| Quote ="MadDogg"Awesome, looks like a real breakthrough year.
Gelling hasnt started too well in contrast.'"
Said the same about Gelling last night. He seems the type who's head may still be floating around Old Trafford and it'll take time for him to re-focus. He will get there I'm sure.
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| Quote ="Aboveusonlypie"Gildart was no worse in defence than anyone else. But again our left edge won it for us. Tommys kicking was woeful again. Time after time Matty saw us home in tight games last year. Just what was Tommy doing on that last set?'"
I'm not sure why we seem to have gone away from Escare doing a lot of the kicking out of hand. He was superb at Catalans in pre season but now we seem to have gone mainly to Leuluai and he really struggled last night.
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| I like him. Was very impressive in centre against the sharks. He impressed me last year on the wing too.
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| Quote ="Geoff"A bunch of us were talking about exactly that in the Central after the match. Burgess, Gildart, Farrell, Williams will do a lot of destruction this season if they can all stay fit. In fact, it would be difficult to find a better quartet for the England positions, in my not so humble opinion (adding in the factor of the understanding they have between themselves) ...though other clubs fans may not agree!'"
Definately Wigans stand out player for me now is GW , sort of player who would do well in the NRL , team will be built around him as long as hes there, wigan have players in there squad now where they could dominate the SL for the next 5-6 years.
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| Quote ="St pete"I like him. Was very impressive in centre against the sharks. He impressed me last year on the wing too.'"
Absolutely. Up against one of the best-rated centres in the world in Jack Bird, he outshone him, and continued with another scorching try last night.
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| I think talking him up as an International player is a bit too soon, he still has a lot to work on, but I guess it shows the state of English centres at the minute. I'd say he's not far off Mark Percival now in development despite being 2 years younger.
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"I think talking him up as an International player is a bit too soon, he still has a lot to work on, but I guess it shows the state of English centres at the minute. I'd say he's not far off Mark Percival now in development despite being 2 years younger.'"
I am glad someone sees sense - he is improving and looking better in his position but is still (in my opinion) about 12 months away from international level. If he continues in his present rate of improvement then I could see him getting a chance towards the end of this season but not yet, there are one or two ahead of him but not that far.
I was not convinced about him early last season but he is looking much better but I wonder how much of that is down to having such a good defender as Bateman alongside him giving him confidence - Bateman/Gildart/Burgess is a very solid combination.
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| Quote ="exiled Warrior"I am glad someone sees sense - he is improving and looking better in his position but is still (in my opinion) about 12 months away from international level. If he continues in his present rate of improvement then I could see him getting a chance towards the end of this season but not yet, there are one or two ahead of him but not that far.
I was not convinced about him early last season but he is looking much better but I wonder how much of that is down to having such a good defender as Bateman alongside him giving him confidence - Bateman/Gildart/Burgess is a very solid combination.'"
Bateman plays on the other side, Gildart has Farrell as his second row, helper. But he's not a bad defender either is he.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Bateman plays on the other side, Gildart has Farrell as his second row, helper. But he's not a bad defender either is he.'"
Oops wrong 2nd row!
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| Gildart is benefiting because he has Budgie outside him, he seems to create as many as he scores, that pace is frightening for opposition defenders and it gives Gildart that bit more room. As a pair their potential is quite scary.
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| There isnt a better pairing in Super League.
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"I think talking him up as an International player is a bit too soon, he still has a lot to work on, but I guess it shows the state of English centres at the minute. I'd say he's not far off Mark Percival now in development despite being 2 years younger.'"
I think percy is streets ahead at the moment but percy been around long time now, I think percy done 3 1/2 seasons now.
Gildart gets better ball than percy as we play crap boring one up rugby or kick and chase.
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| Interesting debate this. Gildart is improving all the time and has started the season on fire. I think centre is by far our weakest position at international level and Cudjoe and Watkins who have the jersey at the minute are just not good enough. Percival and Gildart could very easily take the centre spots at the end of the year if they maintain their improvement and form. Gildart and Burgess are killing it after 3 games and their uunderstanding of each other's game would be an advantage for England. I'm sure that's why Watkins gets picked because of his club relationship with Hall.
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| Quote ="Bigredwarrior"Interesting debate this. Gildart is improving all the time and has started the season on fire. I think centre is by far our weakest position at international level and Cudjoe and Watkins who have the jersey at the minute are just not good enough. Percival and Gildart could very easily take the centre spots at the end of the year if they maintain their improvement and form. Gildart and Burgess are killing it after 3 games and their uunderstanding of each other's game would be an advantage for England. I'm sure that's why Watkins gets picked because of his club relationship with Hall.'"
A good point, pairings are a real benefit. Hall for me has gone backwards over the last year or two and does not look to be half the player he was and Watkins is a player I am not sure of - sometimes he looks good but other times totally anonymous. This season could be a huge one for Oliver - if he continues to improve as he has.
I think the issue for England over the last few years has been the backs - we can match other in the forwards most of the time.
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| Moon plays inside Hall though; Watkins is on the other side. But I agree he often seems to offer little. We are weak in the centres, though, although I'd like to see Shenton maybe given another chance, he was looking a much improved player until his bad injury. But certainly Gildart has the chance to force himself into the reckoning if he carries on like this, and his relationship with Budgie can only help his cause.
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| Quote ="ChrisA"Gildart is benefiting because he has Budgie outside him, he seems to create as many as he scores, that pace is frightening for opposition defenders and it gives Gildart that bit more room. As a pair their potential is quite scary.'"
True, but he also scores plenty even when Budgie isn't involved in the play, like his following the Escare kick-chase on Friday, or his v Cronulla, or the one v Salford where he linked with Farrell...
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| I wasn't sure about Gildart last year and was if the opinion that we were just waiting for someone better to come along.
As the season went on and certainly the beginning of this year he is showing a lot of improvement and potential. I think those calling for international honours are a little premature. IMO he needs a couple more good seasons before considering England.
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| Gildart has improvement in him, we have to keep him developing as he is. I think he is good all round centre. Not international standard yet.
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