Joel reminds me of a young Morley, huge talent with a temper but I would rather have a player with fire in his belly and needs reigning in than a player who doesn't seem bothered any day of the week.

Spot on.

From high up in the East Stand, I thought he deserved a red card.

The point being which you still don't seem to grasp is that you can't use Ablett as some kind of benchmark (which is what YOU tried to do) given the circumstances were completely different:

Ablett led with the forearm
Tomkins led with the elbow

Ablett was in the process of trying to make a tackle
Tomkins was the ball carrier

Ablett didn't just have a fight with Sam
Tomkins had just had a fight with Yeaman

Ablett was charged with a grade C offence
Tomkins has been charged with a grade B offence

i.e. the Ablett point is completely irrelevant because it was completely different.

This whole topic is getting ridiculous.

I recently watched a few clips involving players like Kelvin Skerrit, Cowie, Fogarty etc. Now those were incidents where some players involved saw red and probably oversteped the mark - but it was good old fashioned hard rugby.

What has joel done?

Been a little bit silly in taking the ball up first tackle after the scrap.

Any other time in the game that would have been penalty at worst. The photos clearly show he goes in very hard (isn't that what good rugby is about), hits the defender legally and pushes him away whilst still driving forward - isn't that what we want to see from forwards running the ball in?

As part of pushing him away, his arms go up and make later contact to the defenders head. Poor technique maybe but not an intentional attack to the head as it may have looked initially.

This thread can be summarise by:

No intent to hit his head.
Every very intent to run over the top of the defender.

That's exactly what I want to see in pretty much every hit up by a forward.

Quote ="WestYorksFC"Thought you might be interested in this www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... ticle.html'" What an absolute fool Cooke is! So last season we were lying on, this season it's our "technique" and we're a bit too physical! FFS! What next, "Wigan need to stop fielding superior players than other teams" (Or was that the reason the salary cap came in) "Wigan need to stop having such a good youth set up" "Wigan have an unfair advantage because they haven't got their heads buried in the sand and relying on old fashioned coaching" Its just getting boring now.

Quote ="WestYorksFC"Thought you might be interested in this www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... ticle.html'" What an absolute fool Cooke is! So last season we were lying on, this season it's our "technique" and we're a bit too physical! FFS! What next, "Wigan need to stop fielding superior players than other teams" (Or was that the reason the salary cap came in) "Wigan need to stop having such a good youth set up" "Wigan have an unfair advantage because they haven't got their heads buried in the sand and relying on old fashioned coaching" Its just getting boring now.

Dear Inside man

re above, please see 2009 challenge cup semi final

Regards

Matt King

That's actually a very very good comparison thinking about it.

Yeh I agree it looked dangerous at full speed and Ganson only had one look but had Ganson taken the proper action after the brawl which resulted in Joel running in the penalty tap (which there doesnt seem to be any footage of in any of the highlights), neither Joel nor Yeaman would have been one the pitch.