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| Quote ="Harry Pinner"I think there's a big difference between a 1 match ban and a sending off, i.e. when Lima is banned Wigan will still field 13 players in their next 2 games and have the opportunity to rejig the side to cover the missing player. Completely different to playing with 12 men.'"
There is also a big difference between conceding a penalty and being banned for a game!!
As long as the next player to be penalised for a chicken wing doesnt then get banned or vice versa the next player who does it without the ref noticeing gets a game ban!!
I suspect this wont happen! But hey o we are talking about the sport that can miss a player be yards offside and drop on a ball but get away with it whilst later in the same game offside be seen when no one is near offside!!
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| I was obviously watching a different game.
As for Wilkin - I think Lockers summed up my thoughts perfectly.
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| Quote ="Wandering Warrior"You said Lima has admitted his guilt. Just because he hasnt appealed doesnt mean he has admitted his guilt does it?'"
He pleaded guilty.
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| [url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?2320Details finally up on RFL website - he pleaded guilty to BOTH offences.[/url
Perhaps his defence of not knowing how to tackle without two referees (like in the NRL) wasn't the best strategy.
Hopefully those embarrassing themselves will take the cherry and white specs off now.
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| Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"[url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?2320Details finally up on RFL website - he pleaded guilty to BOTH offences.[/url
Perhaps his defence of not knowing how to tackle without two referees (like in the NRL) wasn't the best strategy.
Perhaps those embarrassing themselves will take the cherry and white specs off now.'"
Not a bad defense from Wigan that. Obviously not good enough for the RFL though. Still a very harsh punishment imo.
But it's done dusted now and we have to move on.
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| Lima should still be able to play in the World Club Challenge.
The precedent was set years ago which will allow this.
When we went to Brisbane in 1994 Andrew Gee was in the middle of an eight game ban from an offence in the then ARL.
The Broncos appealed the ban in that it was for League matches, the WCC wasn't a League match therefore the ban should not apply.
The appeal was won and Gee played against Wigan.
If Wigan want Lima to play in the WCC there is no reason why they couldn't appeal and it be upheld as Gee's was.
His ban would therefore cover Wigan's next match against Salford.
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| Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"[url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?2320Details finally up on RFL website - he pleaded guilty to BOTH offences.[/url
Perhaps his defence of not knowing how to tackle without two referees (like in the NRL) wasn't the best strategy.
Hopefully those embarrassing themselves will take the cherry and white specs off now.'"
Oh here comes mr high and mighty again with his take your specs off BS. Leave it out it's getting old.
My judgement is based on what I saw and in no way shape or form was the Wikin incident a chicken wing tackle. The RFL can call it what ever they want but it doesn’t mean it is what they say it is.
I wouldn't be surprised if IL hadn't told him to plead guilty tbf as whilst he’s a great chairman he hardly likes to rock the boat when it comes to the RFL. Sadly this policy seems to hurt us more than it benefits us.
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| Quote ="Wandering Warrior"You said Lima has admitted his guilt.'"
Quote Just because he hasnt appealed doesnt mean he has admitted his guilt does it?'"
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| Quote ="thepriestman85"Oh here comes mr high and mighty again with his take your specs off BS. Leave it out it's getting old.
My judgement is based on what I saw and in no way shape or form was the Wikin incident a chicken wing tackle. The RFL can call it what ever they want but it doesn’t mean it is what they say it is.
I wouldn't be surprised if IL hadn't told him to plead guilty tbf as whilst he’s a great chairman he hardly likes to rock the boat when it comes to the RFL. Sadly this policy seems to hurt us more than it benefits us.'"
Wow that's some dummy spit, I think it just flew past my window and I'm in Leeds.
No offence, but I'd rather take the opinion of the person who committed the foul and the club rather than someone embarrassing themselves with another chip-on-shoulder rant.
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| I like the Priestman. Every team has to have a nutter amongst its supporters. You do appear to have more than your fair share and almost cornered the market, but we have Damo, Bulls have Gledhill etc etc.
I reckon these boards would be a duller place without their fruitbat loopy views on the game.
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| Reading the RFL report it seems that Lima did receive some clemency as the offence normally carries a 2-3 match ban (for each offence). He was lucky. I think the fact that the club has stated it is working on his tackle technique has saved him from a four match ban.
People on here have been saying that the tackle on Wilkin didn't happen or wasn't as bad as the one on Soliola or was in no way a chicken wing. It seems the RFL take the opposite view:
[url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?2320[iIn respect of the second incident the committee feel this was a more serious offence[/i[/url
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| Quote Player accompanied by Michael Maguire, Head Coach, Shaun Warne, Assistant Coach and Sean Joyce, Legal Representative.Player pleads guilty to both offences. This was the players debut in Super League. Player has played for 7yrs in NRL. Since arriving at Wigan has been surprised at the speed and pace of the rucks. In NRL there are two officials. One is known as the Pocket Referee and he is there to solely scrutinise the ruck area. player has been brought up on these circumstances. Player has not had time to adjust and has spent most of his time chasing the game and arriving at the tackle with a limited angle of making his entry into the tackle. This was a derby game and the pace and speed of the game was more intense and the player did have difficulty to cope. He was loose and continually arriving late and taking hold of the opponents arms. In relation to 1st tackle Soliola. This was early in game and the player was attempting to put the opponent on his back. The player got hold of a flayling arm. It was a clumsy tackle on his debut, careless not reckless, no malice or intent involved. In relation to 2nd tackle on player Wilkin this was further into the game but again player had not adjusted to speed of game. As a defensive player wants to slow down the speed of the play the ball. Inadvertently the non ball carrying arm accidentally moves and Wilkin falls to the floor and the player falls onto him. Player removes arm immediately. No intent or malice involved to apply pressure on opponents arm. Neither of the player in either os these incidents were injured as a result of the contacts. Both incidents careless rather than reckless.'"
The Wigan side of events
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| Quote ="mollycule"I dont see the problem with the bans or the fact that Wilkin complained, only he knows how much pain was caused, maybe he had a real case.
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he didnt look in any pain at all.
got short memories you saints fans.......gf?......pat richards?
i didnt see him whining to the ref
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"[uReading the RFL report it seems that Lima did receive some clemency as the offence normally carries a 2-3 match ban (for each offence)[/u. He was lucky. I think the fact that the club has stated it is working on his tackle technique has saved him from a four match ban.
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Yes, of course.
Making sure he misses the WCC is mercy at its finest. A bit like: "You don't have to do the hard labour bit, but you're still going down for 30 years."
Why don't you pack it in with these pathetic attempts to justify Wilkin's vindictiveness (wasn't it you who came out with the earlier gem - "he was looking to protect other players" )? You've got the result you wanted, and given the full arguments presented by both sides at the hearing there's no point anyone debating it any more. But none of that is going to stop Wilkin being seen as a snidey little shyt and being despised even more than he was when he first made his name as the game's number one coward and cheap-shot merchant.
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| Impressed by this:
Wigan Warriors' Chairman, Ian Lenagan said:
"We were disappointed last year at the number of sentences which were overturned upon appeal and were one of the Club's requesting that the RFL change and improve significantly the fairness, balance and transparency of the Disciplinary Process. Our experience in this case where a key Wigan player has been banned from an extremely important game is that the process is much improved and highly professional. Consequently, we accept the decision, albeit with disappointment for the Player and the Club, and look forward to a Season of consistent and fair Disciplinary Panel decisions and general acceptance of decisions taken"
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| Quote ="LezFatzini"d040.gif'"
Wigan Warriors' Chairman, Ian Lenagan said:
"We were disappointed last year at the number of sentences which were overturned upon appeal and were one of the Club's requesting that the RFL change and improve significantly the fairness, balance and transparency of the Disciplinary Process. Our experience in this case where a key Wigan player has been banned from an extremely important game is that the process is much improved and highly professional. Consequently, we accept the decision, albeit with disappointment for the Player and the Club, and look forward to a Season of consistent and fair Disciplinary Panel decisions and general acceptance of decisions taken"
Arrest my case.
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| Quote ="Father Ted"Lima should still be able to play in the World Club Challenge.
The precedent was set years ago which will allow this.
When we went to Brisbane in 1994 Andrew Gee was in the middle of an eight game ban from an offence in the then ARL.
The Broncos appealed the ban in that it was for League matches, the WCC wasn't a League match therefore the ban should not apply.
The appeal was won and Gee played against Wigan.
If Wigan want Lima to play in the WCC there is no reason why they couldn't appeal and it be upheld as Gee's was.
His ban would therefore cover Wigan's next match against Salford.'"
The NRL changed all that a long time ago. Hence why any Kiwi up before the NRL judiciary always seems to get a disproportionately long ban so he misses the ANZAC test.
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| Quote ="19 Leagues"Impressed by this:
Wigan Warriors' Chairman, Ian Lenagan said:
"We were disappointed last year at the number of sentences which were overturned upon appeal and were one of the Club's requesting that the RFL change and improve significantly the fairness, balance and transparency of the Disciplinary Process. Our experience in this case where a key Wigan player has been banned from an extremely important game is that the process is much improved and highly professional. Consequently, we accept the decision, albeit with disappointment for the Player and the Club, and look forward to a Season of consistent and fair Disciplinary Panel decisions and general acceptance of decisions taken"'"
To be honest I'd prefer it if he shouted about the injustice of it all and how everyone is out to get Wigan. This kind of classy and dignified approached did us no favours last season and puts the club in a bad light, especially with some of its fans.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"Making sure he misses the WCC is mercy at its finest. A bit like: "You don't have to do the hard labour bit, but you're still going down for 30 years."'"
That is incredibly childish! Had he only committed one offence then he would not have missed the WCC. However, he committed two. Hence the two match ban.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"That is incredibly childish! Had he only committed one offence then he would not have missed the WCC. However, he committed two. Hence the two match ban.'"
If this is consistently applied throughout the season then I have no argument with it. I doubt it though.
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| "and your action in using your body weight to force the opponent’s arm and shoulder in an abnormal direction that involved an unacceptable risk of injury to that player."
Having watched the Wilkin tackle, I fail to see the above. If raising your arm as if in a classroom is an abnormal direction then fair enough, but I just don't see where there was any abnormal range of movement in the tackle.
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| Quote ="Father Ted"Lima should still be able to play in the World Club Challenge.
The precedent was set years ago which will allow this.
When we went to Brisbane in 1994 Andrew Gee was in the middle of an eight game ban from an offence in the then ARL.
The Broncos appealed the ban in that it was for League matches, the WCC wasn't a League match therefore the ban should not apply.
The appeal was won and Gee played against Wigan.
If Wigan want Lima to play in the WCC there is no reason why they couldn't appeal and it be upheld as Gee's was.
His ban would therefore cover Wigan's next match against Salford.'"
Surely the same principle would apply to the challenge cup. If a player is banned during a league match then he counts the challenge cup games as part of his ban. Or if he is banned during a challenge cup final or round then league matches count as part of his ban. I. M. O. Lima should be ineligible for the WCC unfortunately.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"That is incredibly childish! Had he only committed one offence then he would not have missed the WCC. However, he committed two. Hence the two match ban.'"
As childish as you trying to claim that Wilkin was only looking out for his fellow players? I mean, what kind of cretins are you used to preaching to?
Given that Lima's missing the WCC as one of the games, a two-match ban is highly disporportionate, in my view. But Wigan aren't contesting it, so that's the end of the matter.
So long as the consistency is maintained all season - which we'll be watching for with deep interest.
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| Quote ="goobervision""and your action in using your body weight to force the opponent’s arm and shoulder in an abnormal direction that involved an unacceptable risk of injury to that player."
Having watched the Wilkin tackle, I fail to see the above. If raising your arm as if in a classroom is an abnormal direction then fair enough, but I just don't see where there was any abnormal range of movement in the tackle.'" Quote ="goobervision""and your action in using your body weight to force the opponent’s arm and shoulder in an abnormal direction that involved an unacceptable risk of injury to that player."
Having watched the Wilkin tackle, I fail to see the above. If raising your arm as if in a classroom is an abnormal direction then fair enough, but I just don't see where there was any abnormal range of movement in the tackle.'"
Don’t you know you’re not allowed to base your opinions on trival things like watching the replay???
You have to base your opinions on what someone else has said.
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Don’t you know you’re not allowed to base your opinions on trival things like watching the replay???
You have to base your opinions on what someone else has said.'"
Like the person who did it? Shocking isn't it.
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