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| Quote ="Big Mike's Kb"in my view i dont think warrington wll be there this year top 8 yes but i think after a good year they might strugle but hudds are my gamble and are the team to watch in 2011'"
Their team is just as good as ours IMO.
King, Monaghan x2, Morley & Hodgson are some of the best in SL. Big game players with big game experience.
Then guys like Carvell, Atkins, Bridge, Westwood, Anderson etc are also quality players. Think how many teams those guys would get in and then you realise how big of a challenge they will pose to us.
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| Quote ="Big Mike's Kb"in my view i dont think warrington wll be there this year top 8 yes but i think after a good year they might strugle but hudds are my gamble and are the team to watch in 2011'"
And the winner of stupid post so far 2011 is............................................YOU
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| I think Huddersfield are going to go great guns this year, I really do.
Wire and Saints will there or there abouts of course. But to me the Giants have it all, and I wouldn't be surprised to see them come a close second behind ourselves.
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| Quote ="Big Mike's Kb"in my view i dont think warrington wll be there this year top 8 yes but i think after a good year they might strugle but hudds are my gamble and are the team to watch in 2011'"
Top 8
You mad? After a good year they may struggle, why? Because they've exchanged Mathers for Hodgson lol
Their squad looks stronger this year than last, if anything they'll be more dangerous. Hence getting 68% of the vote!
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| Quote ="LovesToSpooge"=#FF0000I think Huddersfield are going to go great guns this year, I really do.
Wire and Saints will there or there abouts of course. But to me the Giants have it all, and I wouldn't be surprised to see them come a close second behind ourselves.'"
Me too, I think 3rd or 4th place finish for Huddersfield this year, with their experience of the play-offs last year, they could go one better this time round.
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| The points we have lost due to not having a decent goalkicker, now we have a guy who puts them over for fun. Someone even pointed out on the Wire board the other day that we'd have come top if we'd have converted all the missed goals last season.
I think it's a toss up between you guys and us.
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| Quote ="Yed"The points we have lost due to not having a decent goalkicker, now we have a guy who puts them over for fun. Someone even pointed out on the Wire board the other day that we'd have come top if we'd have converted all the missed goals last season.I think it's a toss up between you guys and us.'"
??, what if the other teams had converted their goals ?, would you still have been top ?, if's and but's etc.......................................
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| Quote ="twosevenzero"??, what if the other teams had converted their goals ?, would you still have been top ?, if's and but's etc.......................................'" Quote ="22-10"eusa_clap.gif
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The point is still valid.
It was a hypothetical, you don't get credit for working that out.
The point is... If we had Brett last year (the variable) and he made (let's say) 90% of his kicks, Wire would be top?
And he is right.
Your point only works if he didn't qualify it with Brett. If he had said say... If Westwood was a better kicker, we would have been top.
You see? I may be confusing the issue.
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| Your biggest threats will be the likes of Wakefield, Harlequins, Crusaders and Catalan Dragons who’ll be all treating their game with you as a cup final.
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| Quote ="twosevenzero"??, what if the other teams had converted their goals ?, would you still have been top ?, if's and but's etc.......................................'"
I thought i'd search myself as i agree, i shouldn't just take things as fact.
Wigan: 3 draws Hudds/bradford/ gained 2, Wire lost 1 point = 1 points extra
Wire: 3 draws Wigan/Saints/Leeds 3 points gained = 3 points extra
Saints: 2 draws Hull kr 1 gained, wire 1 lost = 0 points
1st Wigan 45 points
2nd Wire 43 points
3rd Saints 40 points
So he was wrong but that could have been a big difference for us.
Thing is (this bit is slightly silly in some respect) if we'd have had BH we might have actually gone for 2 more often than we did.
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| Quote ="Yed"Leeds are a spent force, yes they will be top half and they'll turnover some of the big boys but they are slowly on the downward spiral similar to Bradford a few years back, they will slowly turn in to a mediocre side in the next 5 seasons.'"
Love it. 1 poor season by our usual very high standards, and suddenly we're a spent force. The squad is pretty much the same as the 3xChampions but yet its no longer good enough to challenge for trophys.
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| Quote ="Yed"The points we have lost due to not having a decent goalkicker, now we have a guy who puts them over for fun. Someone even pointed out on the Wire board the other day that we'd have come top if we'd have converted all the missed goals last season.
I think it's a toss up between you guys and us.'"
the culture of your club will certainly have to change if you are to be considered as serious gf contenders,i congratulate you on peaking for one off,randomly drawn out of the hat games,spaced apart by several weeks.
the fact that warrington can only peak for these types of games <as of the end of 2010 season>,clearly speaks volumes as to why you will have to seriously improve to make an inpact on the play-offs!
let's hope your goalkicker doesn't miss a single kick this season eh?
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| Quote ="RhinoNeil"Love it. 1 poor season by our usual very high standards, and suddenly we're a spent force. The squad is pretty much the same as the 3xChampions but yet its no longer good enough to challenge for trophys.
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Although I still think you will be up there, the fact that your squad hasn't changed is probably one of the reasons why you had a poor season. Every other top side has improved whilst you've stayed the same. Every side needs freshening up once in a while.
Plus I just don't rate your new coach that much, I hope i'm wrong as we need good british coaches but I can't see how he'd be an improvement.
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| Quote ="RhinoNeil"Love it. 1 poor season by our usual very high standards, and suddenly we're a spent force. The squad is pretty much the same as the 3xChampions but yet its no longer good enough to challenge for trophys.
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Read it again, slow decline not sudden
Yes the squad is pretty much the same only...older
Coaching staff is....... hmmmm...different
Youth team not the greatest
Bookmark this if you like, but 5 years time you will be a mid table side, say what you want about Wire we may be too but at the moment there is nothing suggesting otherwise about Leeds.
Not arrogant it's not my way, just calling it as i see it.
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But hopefully they will pussy out in the playoffs, again.
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| Quote ="Yed"Read it again, slow decline not sudden
Yes the squad is pretty much the same only...older
Coaching staff is....... hmmmm...different
Youth team not the greatest
Bookmark this if you like, but 5 years time you will be a mid table side, say what you want about Wire we may be too but at the moment there is nothing suggesting otherwise about Leeds.
Not arrogant it's not my way, just calling it as i see it.'"
Ok i'll bookmark it!
as warrington and wigan are clearly on the up, then you can all bookmark this:
our 3 in a row gf wins will not be broken in the same 5 years
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| Quote ="Yed"Read it again, slow decline not sudden
Yes the squad is pretty much the same only...older
Coaching staff is....... hmmmm...different
Youth team not the greatest
Bookmark this if you like, but 5 years time you will be a mid table side, say what you want about Wire we may be too but at the moment there is nothing suggesting otherwise about Leeds.
Not arrogant it's not my way, just calling it as i see it.'"
If we are a 'spent force' that surely means at the present time?
I know you not been arrogant and believe me your not the only one to write Leeds off. But the team getting older...yeah sure but the vast majority are still in their 20s! As for the youth I will tell you Leeds have got 5/6 younsters contending for the first places that will win international honours at some point in there careers. Nothing at all has changed from 07/08/09 and see it as sorry excuses but Leeds had a very tough season last year. Horrendous luck with injurys, a very bad heavy pitch for the first 3 months slowing play down (something you guys are concerned about at present) and we didn't have a week off until the playoffs - and we still finished 4th and the CC final, not many teams would have done that.
Now I'm not saying Leeds will walk this season by any means, but they will be there along with Wigan, Wire, Hudds and Saints having a battle royal for SL. One thing is for sure any of those 5 can win, and we dont say that every year do we.
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| Quote ="Yed"I thought i'd search myself as i agree, i shouldn't just take things as fact.
Wigan: 3 draws Hudds/bradford/ gained 2, Wire lost 1 point = 1 points extra
Wire: 3 draws Wigan/Saints/Leeds 3 points gained = 3 points extra
Saints: 2 draws Hull kr 1 gained, wire 1 lost = 0 points
1st Wigan 45 points
2nd Wire 43 points
3rd Saints 40 points
So he was wrong but that could have been a big difference for us.
Thing is (this bit is slightly silly in some respect) if we'd have had BH we might have actually gone for 2 more often than we did.'"
But, if we didn't have Pat, we may have ran the ball more and scored more tries !!!!!!, as I said, if's and but's.............
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But, if we didn't have Pat, we may have ran the ball more and scored more tries !!!!!!, as I said, if's and but's.............
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I agree, the last bit of my post was being a bit playful
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Fair enough , do you think Westwood will do any kicking again this year, or will it be mainly BH and Briers ?
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| ourselves and complacency...........but im sure Madge will take care of that obstacle
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| Quote ="twosevenzero"Fair enough
, do you think Westwood will do any kicking again this year, or will it be mainly BH and Briers ?'"
Yes at some point, we have a few good kicker just no stand out kickers, BH has addressed that.
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