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| Quote ="SaintsFan"I think it's safe to assume that it was to both because he was charged with both and he has pleaded guilty.'"
The wording on the reports out there is ambiguous at the moment, we've got two separate charges mentioned, but only one mention of pleading guilty. We won't know if he pleaded guilty to both until the RFL get their act together and update their website.
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| Wilkin. What a pussy.
I hope we make an official complaint against him every time we play them now just to play pathetic and running to the teacher everytime the game isnt going our way.
Jons a good un for cheap shots, so no doubt we will have plenty of oppurtunities to do it - then again I hope Lima just goes straight through him like any other normal rugby player would do.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Why should players have to put up with potentially career threatening illegal chicken wing tackles without a murmur, then only have a legal tackle as their response?
Lima's tactics were sneaky and dangerous. He admitted his guilt and hopefully he's learned his lesson, or he'll cop bigger bans later in the year. End of story.'"
Shock horror Saints fan defends ban against Wigan player with big match on the horizon.
It’s because of idiots like yourself that this game is turning softer every season.
One week into the new season and we’ve already seen the incompetence of the RFL knows no bounds and that fans of the other sides are more than happy to let it slip if it screws Wigan over.
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| Quote ="thepriestman85"Shock horror Saints fan defends ban against Wigan player with big match on the horizon.'"
I've stood and cheered Wigan against Australian opposition before, and will do so again in two weeks time.
Quote ="thepriestman85"It’s because of idiots like yourself that this game is turning softer every season. '"
True, we need some more chicken wings to toughen the sport up.
Quote ="thepriestman85"One week into the new season and we’ve already seen the incompetence of the RFL knows no bounds and that fans of the other sides are more than happy to let it slip if it screws Wigan over.'"
Awww, bless.
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| I can't believe all the whining and the daft conspiracy theories on here. Lima did 2 chicken wing tackles so Lima got 2 matches. Steve Snitch did one chicken wing tackle and got a 1 match ban. That's consistency!
Punishments seem to be a little harsher this year, as Aaron Murphy got 2 matches for his spear tackle which seems a little harsh. It seems the RFL are getting a bit tougher.
The only questionable decision was the two match ban for Godwin. Running in and punching from behind should be worth 2 matches at least, but he's already been banned this year for a spear tackle on Prescott. Surely that should warrant a longer ban if he's already been banned once before within the last month.
Other than that, it seems like the right decision, but if Lima can appeal despite pleading guilty it might be worth it. It was his first game after all and that could be a mitigating factor if he argues that he'll change the tackling technique immediately.
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| Godwin hardly made contact to be fair (but still deserved his ban) and a spear tackle is a lot worse that a chicken-wing tackle IMO. You can't break someone's neck with one of those...
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| I dont see the problem with the bans or the fact that Wilkin complained, only he knows how much pain was caused, maybe he had a real case.
The real fact of the matter is the length of punishment, surely if during the game it was penalised, it would have been just that a penalty not a red card.
A 1 match ban for a chicken wing tackle to me suggests this is a sending off offence, which I find very hard to believe
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Everyone is making out that this is some sort of precedent - players appeal for foul play (be it biting, gouging, high tackles, chicken wings) and general penalties (be they strips, offsides, knock-ons, back-to-one) ALL THE TIME. If you have never seen it happen before and that it is only the realm of footballers, I can only assume you only started watching last weekend.'"
One of the very few good posts on this.
Lima has admitted his own guilt and yet people are still moaning at Wilkin for telling the ref about it? ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| So a chicken wing tackle in a game is a penalty but after the game its a 1 match ban? They werent even chicken wing tackles imo but i suppose thats beside the point now.
We should tell all our players if they ever feel like they might of done a chicken wing tackle, tell the ref and concede a penalty and thats ok. In fact just snap the guys arm off but make sure the ref sees it and you wont get banned. Its fooking madness imo.
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| Quote ="mollycule"A 1 match ban for a chicken wing tackle to me suggests this is a sending off offence, which I find very hard to believe'"
I think there's a big difference between a 1 match ban and a sending off, i.e. when Lima is banned Wigan will still field 13 players in their next 2 games and have the opportunity to rejig the side to cover the missing player. Completely different to playing with 12 men.
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| Quote ="LezFatzini"One of the very few good posts on this.
Lima has admitted his own guilt and yet people are still moaning at Wilkin for telling the ref about it?
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So anybody that appeals is innocent then?
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| Quote ="Harry Pinner"I think there's a big difference between a 1 match ban and a sending off, i.e. when Lima is banned Wigan will still field 13 players in their next 2 games and have the opportunity to rejig the side to cover the missing player. Completely different to playing with 12 men.'"
Even if your 30 points up with 2 mins left?
How big do you think the difference is between a penalty during the game and a one match ban after it then?
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| Quote ="Wandering Warrior"So anybody that appeals is innocent then?'"
Of course not. What point are you trying to make?
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| That Wilkin tackle was never a chicken wing tackle , You all must be blind or stupid, None of you saints fans would of said a tap if he had nt gone squealing to ref. Because you would nt of noticed because it was nt 1. I hope he appeals and gets 1 dropped .
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| Quote ="LezFatzini"Of course not. What point are you trying to make?'"
You said Lima has admitted his guilt. Just because he hasnt appealed doesnt mean he has admitted his guilt does it?
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| Quote ="Harry Pinner"I think there's a big difference between a 1 match ban and a sending off, i.e. when Lima is banned Wigan will still field 13 players in their next 2 games and have the opportunity to rejig the side to cover the missing player. Completely different to playing with 12 men.'"
There is also a big difference between conceding a penalty and being banned for a game!!
As long as the next player to be penalised for a chicken wing doesnt then get banned or vice versa the next player who does it without the ref noticeing gets a game ban!!
I suspect this wont happen! But hey o we are talking about the sport that can miss a player be yards offside and drop on a ball but get away with it whilst later in the same game offside be seen when no one is near offside!!
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| I was obviously watching a different game.
As for Wilkin - I think Lockers summed up my thoughts perfectly.
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| Quote ="Wandering Warrior"You said Lima has admitted his guilt. Just because he hasnt appealed doesnt mean he has admitted his guilt does it?'"
He pleaded guilty.
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| [url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?2320Details finally up on RFL website - he pleaded guilty to BOTH offences.[/url
Perhaps his defence of not knowing how to tackle without two referees (like in the NRL) wasn't the best strategy.
Hopefully those embarrassing themselves will take the cherry and white specs off now.
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| Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"[url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?2320Details finally up on RFL website - he pleaded guilty to BOTH offences.[/url
Perhaps his defence of not knowing how to tackle without two referees (like in the NRL) wasn't the best strategy.
Perhaps those embarrassing themselves will take the cherry and white specs off now.'"
Not a bad defense from Wigan that. Obviously not good enough for the RFL though. Still a very harsh punishment imo.
But it's done dusted now and we have to move on.
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| Lima should still be able to play in the World Club Challenge.
The precedent was set years ago which will allow this.
When we went to Brisbane in 1994 Andrew Gee was in the middle of an eight game ban from an offence in the then ARL.
The Broncos appealed the ban in that it was for League matches, the WCC wasn't a League match therefore the ban should not apply.
The appeal was won and Gee played against Wigan.
If Wigan want Lima to play in the WCC there is no reason why they couldn't appeal and it be upheld as Gee's was.
His ban would therefore cover Wigan's next match against Salford.
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| Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"[url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?2320Details finally up on RFL website - he pleaded guilty to BOTH offences.[/url
Perhaps his defence of not knowing how to tackle without two referees (like in the NRL) wasn't the best strategy.
Hopefully those embarrassing themselves will take the cherry and white specs off now.'"
Oh here comes mr high and mighty again with his take your specs off BS. Leave it out it's getting old.
My judgement is based on what I saw and in no way shape or form was the Wikin incident a chicken wing tackle. The RFL can call it what ever they want but it doesn’t mean it is what they say it is.
I wouldn't be surprised if IL hadn't told him to plead guilty tbf as whilst he’s a great chairman he hardly likes to rock the boat when it comes to the RFL. Sadly this policy seems to hurt us more than it benefits us.
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| Quote ="Wandering Warrior"You said Lima has admitted his guilt.'"
Quote Just because he hasnt appealed doesnt mean he has admitted his guilt does it?'"
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| Quote ="thepriestman85"Oh here comes mr high and mighty again with his take your specs off BS. Leave it out it's getting old.
My judgement is based on what I saw and in no way shape or form was the Wikin incident a chicken wing tackle. The RFL can call it what ever they want but it doesn’t mean it is what they say it is.
I wouldn't be surprised if IL hadn't told him to plead guilty tbf as whilst he’s a great chairman he hardly likes to rock the boat when it comes to the RFL. Sadly this policy seems to hurt us more than it benefits us.'"
Wow that's some dummy spit, I think it just flew past my window and I'm in Leeds.
No offence, but I'd rather take the opinion of the person who committed the foul and the club rather than someone embarrassing themselves with another chip-on-shoulder rant.
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| I like the Priestman. Every team has to have a nutter amongst its supporters. You do appear to have more than your fair share and almost cornered the market, but we have Damo, Bulls have Gledhill etc etc.
I reckon these boards would be a duller place without their fruitbat loopy views on the game.
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