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| Quote ="stillinthepast"Yesterdays Daily Express gave a very good insight in Warren Gatlans reasons for taking Andy Farrell instead of Shaun Edwards on the Lions tour.
In the article he says that leaving out Shaun was one of the most agonising desicions he has ever had to make.
But he goes on to say that having talked to coaches and players who have worked with Andy he is excited at the prospect of working with him.He is excited by the freshness and new ideas Andy would bring to the coaching team and also by the impact he had in the recent great win of England over the All Blacks.
On the same page of the Express an Article by a sports reporter gives another insight into what may behind the move.
When speaking about the relevant coaches he says, "Farrells powers of inspiration are no less than Edwards,but without the occasionally manic edge which can be counter productive".
Who do you think would make the better RL coach of the two,would Andy get more out of thr players with his quiete authoriety or would Shaun drive them with the same intensity he used to show when playing ?.
My own opinion is that Shaun would be to much of an Alex Murphy type and how he put the fear of god into players years ago would not work with modern players today.'"
I think that as coaches they would make a brilliant pair, however the egos may get in the way as they both like to be "in charge". I believe either could do a good job, but do share your concerns about the Edwards style, although I suspect it could be fun to watch.
If fans think Wane is intense, Edwards would take it up another notch or two.
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| I just think it's very sad for the game of RL that two former powerhouses of the game are being given their coaching opportunities in another sport.
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| Wouldn't want him as our coach, ever. No experience what so ever coaching RL. The myth about him coaching the grand slam team is ridiculous, Dean Bell took most training sessions and lets be honest, it was hardly a difficult team to coach was it?
Saw Edwards on "time of our lives" and he came across to me as an arrogant, self ed horrible little creature. He's a Wigan great, of course he is, but a Wigan coach.....no thanks.
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| Your entitled to your opinion. Same as I am to mine.
It was well known at the time and stated by westy the involvement of Edwards.
I know giz and he's not like you think at all.
But if I'm right and he does ccoach us one day we shall see.
I love the idea that Faz is quiet and calm.
Having witnessed his team talk first hand that's laughable.
I'd think either are more than capable of doing the job one day.
But I'd have giz top of my list.
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| Quote ="21-12"Wouldn't want him as our coach, ever. No experience what so ever coaching RL. The myth about him coaching the grand slam team is ridiculous, Dean Bell took most training sessions and lets be honest, it was hardly a difficult team to coach was it?
Saw Edwards on "time of our lives" and he came across to me as [uan arrogant, self ed horrible little creature[/u. He's a Wigan great, of course he is, but a Wigan coach.....no thanks.'"
I'm with you on his lack of experience - and the longer he stays out of RL, the more of a problem this becomes.
But I'm sorry, the bit I've underlined is utter crap.
If you don't know Shaun - and you clearly don't, because you're basing this assumption on a TB interview - then you shouldn't spout such gibberish.
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| Quote ="21-12"Saw Edwards on "time of our lives" and he came across to me as an arrogant, self ed horrible little creature. '"
As a fan whose team was left in bits by Wigan teams in which he featured I used to think that he was. Having since met him I can assure you he isn't.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"I'm with you on his lack of experience - and the longer he stays out of RL, the more of a problem this becomes.
But I'm sorry, the bit I've underlined is utter crap.
If you don't know Shaun - and you clearly don't, because you're basing this assumption on a TB interview - then you shouldn't spout such gibberish.'"
I am basing it on a TV interview, yes. That's why I put "he came across"
Iv never claimed to have "known him" or even "met him"
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| Quote ="21-12"I am basing it on a TV interview, yes. That's why I put "he came across"
Iv never claimed to have "known him" or even "met him"'"
But it also appears that you are using that perception as part of your reasoning for not wanting him to coach Wigan.
Any times I have met him I have I found him to be very polite and certainly not the great "I am."
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| Met Shaun a few times over the years. He's a very quiet and unassuming family man.
He was a bit livelier in his younger years (which of us aren't)?
Watched 'Time of our Lives' a few times and never got this impression at all. In fact I feel he seemed the most nervous of the three.
Offiah and Hanley came across much more relaxed, due to more media training experience I'd expect!
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| Quote ="21-12"Cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would get excited about Edwards coaching Wigan, he had no RL coaching experience what so ever'"
Maybe not in an official capacity, but he was a top grade coach at 18 years old. Achieved at the same time as Ellery and Daryl Powell I think.
I agree with MattyB re the telly program, just seemed nervous and humble.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"But it also appears that you are using that perception as part of your reasoning for not wanting him to coach Wigan.
Any times I have met him I have I found him to be very polite and certainly not the great "I am."'"
Not at all, there's a long list of coaches in the NRL I'd have before an inexperienced ex player just because "he's a Wiganer" and "he loves the club" because let's be honest, at the moment they are the only 2 arguements in his favour. He'd have to prove himself coaching the younger ages first, then be an assistant for 2/3 years before he was even considered IMO, same as wane had to do.
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| Quote ="21-12"Wouldn't want him as our coach, ever. No experience what so ever coaching RL. The myth about him coaching the grand slam team is ridiculous, Dean Bell took most training sessions and lets be honest, it was hardly a difficult team to coach was it?
Saw Edwards on "time of our lives" and he came across to me as an arrogant, self ed horrible little creature. He's a Wigan great, of course he is, but a Wigan coach.....no thanks.'"
You definitely don't know Shaun. Grew up with him, he's as down to earth as you can get.
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| Quote ="21-12"Not at all, there's a long list of coaches in the NRL I'd have before an inexperienced ex player just because "he's a Wiganer" and "he loves the club" because let's be honest, at the moment they are the only 2 arguements in his favour. He'd have to prove himself coaching the younger ages first, then be an assistant for 2/3 years before he was even considered IMO, same as wane had to do.'"
In an age of people walking out mid-contract - primarily top Aussies from the NRL - I'd have thought that 'loving the club' would be worth a bit more to us than it used to be.
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| Quote ="21-12"Wouldn't want him as our coach, ever. No experience what so ever coaching RL. The myth about him coaching the grand slam team is ridiculous, [uDean Bell[/u took most training sessions and lets be honest, it was hardly a difficult team to coach was it?
Saw Edwards on "time of our lives" and he came across to me as an arrogant, self ed horrible little creature. He's a Wigan great, of course he is, but a Wigan coach.....no thanks.'"
dean bell wasnt there
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Quote ="21-12"I am basing it on a TV interview, yes. That's why I put "he came across"
Iv never claimed to have "known him" or even "met him"'"
Thats interesting, How did you get that from the interview? I remember him talking about how proud he was to bring the trophy home for the fans. He came across really down to earth on that interview, as he usually does.
If your interested there is a really good interview with him here
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/7300719.stm
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Iv never claimed to have "known him" or even "met him"'"
Thats interesting, How did you get that from the interview? I remember him talking about how proud he was to bring the trophy home for the fans. He came across really down to earth on that interview, as he usually does.
If your interested there is a really good interview with him here
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/7300719.stm
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| Quote ="21-12"I am basing it on a TV interview, yes. That's why I put "he came across"
Iv never claimed to have "known him" or even "met him"'"
Did you watch the Superleague Supermen when Edwards was the subject?
How did you think he came across then?
Were you one of the DALGLISH chanters at Liverpool?
Shaun Edwards has forgot more about rugby than Dalglish will ever know about football (and I think Dalglish was the most astute signing Liverpool ever made)
btw great result today.
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| What the hell has kenny dalglish got to do with a debate about Shaun Edwards?
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Did you watch the Superleague Supermen when Edwards was the subject?
How did you think he came across then?
Were you one of the DALGLISH chanters at Liverpool?
Shaun Edwards has forgot more about rugby than Dalglish will ever know about football (and I think Dalglish was the most astute signing Liverpool ever made)
btw great result today.
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You base this on what evidence?
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| I'm sure kenny won the premiership with Blackburn, the double with liverpool in his first year, and a league cup in 2011??
Dalglish - worldwide footballing legend and idol
Edwards - legend in the small town of Wigan, otherwise, half the country have never heard of him.
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| Quote ="21-12"I'm sure kenny won the premiership with Blackburn, the double with liverpool in his first year, and a league cup in 2011??
Dalglish - worldwide footballing legend and idol
Edwards - legend in the small town of Wigan, otherwise, half the country have never heard of him.'"
Whilst I agree Dalglish is more well known your comments about Edwards shows the typical head in the sand arrogance/ignorance for RU that 90% of RL fans possess.
Edwards is known up and down the country. He's internationally respected in all rugby playing nations not because of his Wigan days but because of his RU coaching profile.
It's laughable that you pass off over a decades worth of TOP LEVEL coaching experience! Different sport but being able to motivate, improve your players, manage egos etc all easily transfer! The game of RL hasn't DRAMATICALLY changed tactics wise since he played. Its improved through new ways to train, sport science, fitter athletes and better recovery options. Edwards has been an international coach in RU and will be fully up to date with all these progressions and in some instances he'll have seen more than guys like Wane.
Don't try and say he's out of touch when he's anything but.
How long do you think it will take him to get his head around a Tomkins wrap around which is Wigans only attacking move really.
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| Of course he is out of touch! He's never coached top level RL
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| There is a massive difference between being inexperienced and being out of touch.
Cast your mind back. Hanleys first job as coach was in charge of GB. He didn't seem to find it impossible.
It's not like he has been locked away from the game.
I'd bet he's more aware of what's going on than any of us.
Man management is the same skill regardless of the sport and he has tons of experience in that.
Your problem seems to be a personal one based on something that you didn't like in an interview. Not really the best way to judge someone.
Giz is a class act and he will one day coach us.
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| It's not personal at all, iv never met the bloke.
What exactly are you basing your argument for him coaching Wigan on? Please expand
He's never coached top level RL and there's quite a big list of coaches in OZ that would be way above in the pecking order for the Wigan job. Even David furner, who served his time as an assistant. People want Edwards because "he's a Wiganer" I'm afraid, the not much more you can base your arguement on.
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| Quote ="21-12"It's not personal at all, iv never met the bloke.
What exactly are you basing your argument for him coaching Wigan on? Please expand
He's never coached top level RL and there's quite a big list of coaches in OZ that would be way above in the pecking order for the Wigan job. Even David furner, who served his time as an assistant. People want Edwards because "he's a Wiganer" I'm afraid, the not much more you can base your arguement on.'"
This is true if you're absolutely determined to ignore Edwards's RU experience. But you're wrong to be 100% certain that it rules him out. Mark Bitcon came to us direct from RU, and is regarded as one of the best conditioners in the game. RU is not a clowning amateur sport any more.
I too feel that Edwards would struggle initially and would need to serve an apprenticeship as an assistant, but in writing him off totally you're going OTT, and I suspect this actually does stem from some personal dislike. Don't start denying this by insisting that you don't know him - we've already established that, after first listening to you tell everyone what a horrible person he is.
And I wouldn't chuck all your eggs into the Aussie coaches basket either - with the exception of Michael Maguire there haven't been too many good ones over here for several years, and even Maguire let us all down by dashing back home the first moment a new opportunity arose there.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Did you watch the Superleague Supermen when Edwards was the subject?
How did you think he came across then?
Were you one of the DALGLISH chanters at Liverpool?
Shaun Edwards has forgot more about rugby than Dalglish will ever know about football (and I think Dalglish was the most astute signing Liverpool ever made)
btw great result today.
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I'll have less of this have-a-go at Liverpool malarky. Get enough jip off the lads and at work for that!!
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