(or more acurately) Spout a lot of opinionated nonsense even though they readily admit they have no basis on which to make that opinion. I'll leave it to you to decide which camp you fall into..

I like O'Loughlin a lot and as a Leeds fan (from Leeds, don't let the av make you think different

) I can't agree he would walk into the Aus team. There is currently no player who would walk in. There are 2 or 3 that would push for the starters jersey but even Ellis who is probably Englands best player is about 3rd or 4th down the list. As for 13s Johnson is the best in SL. He is performing every week in a very poor Catalan team.

This is no anti Wigan post BTW. As much as I love Leeds I love the game more and never wear blinkers. I also believe even though Sinfield doesn't have the impact that Lockers does in the tackle he still averages around 40 a game which is decent going.

I agree with a poster who's name I can't remember though that it's hard to compare Sinfield and Lockers because even though they play the same position they play different roles for each team. Leeds basically have 2 SHs running off Sinfield. If I had my way though (which obviously I won't) I woould play Sinfield at 6 and McGuire at 7 because IMO McGuire would be the best 7 on the country. He is no longer a backer up player. He has carried Leeds for the majority of this season with Burrow playing his worst stuff on a long while. I think a Brown - McGuire partnership would be a good one in the 4N (can't wait fir the stick I get for that

)

again, I don't have Leeds blinkers on. In fact, McGuire is the only Leeds player I would pick going on this seasons form So far.

Anyway all of that has nothing to do with Lee Smith whatsoever but as other people had drifted I thought I would up the drift a bit. I hope you value my opinion but if you don't, meh



good luck against Saints. I have a feeling you may struggle but I reckon it'll be a cracker. Just get the feeling your errors will cost you.

Brilliant, remind me again of the teams who have actually broken the cap?

There you go again, after our chat on the Leeds board regarding your double standards, you go and criticise a Wigan fan for crowing before the dawn, then go and do exactly the same thing in the next few lines of the same post.

I cannot take anything you say seriously, given "the majority of Wigan fans are celebrating winning the treble already"....according to your 1 mate who lives in the town, and then claim with the same confidence nobody in Leeds is panicking when i know a good few who feel Bluey has lost the dressing room.

You are a strange strange man.

Sadly, the one dark cloud on the otherwise bright and sunny horizon for the Wigan club is that when we do get back to winning ways the RL mafia will no doubt conspire to clip our wings again.

still gutted you got put in your place by me and stone cold on the Leeds board

I love you self righteous john

Why don't you try answering his charges?

because there is no discussion or reasoning with him, he's so concerned with not giving an inch, It turns into some long boring face off, he's far more interested in the battle regardless of the topic, you could say a number of things and he just rolls out his dull formulated generic statements, that don't mean anything. it's like talking to a politician.

it's all about the vendetta and oneupmanship, there are a few like this on rlfans. personally I just laugh at em

Tell us

are you the pot or kettle ?

Do you really think Brown is better 6 than Sam Tomkins and McGuire is a better 7 than Eastmond?

both

All that rhetoric aside, what he seems to be saying is that you:

a) Have accused Wigan fans of crowing before the dawn, and have then gone on to do it yourself (in the same post).

b) Have accused Wigan fans of thinking that they've already won the treble, with no evidence to support this whatsoever.

c) Have scoffed at suggestions that Bluey has lost the changing room at Leeds, even though other Leeds fans are apparently concerned that he has.

These seem to be pretty specific charges. I'm not sure "laughing at 'em" is the best way to respond. Why not just give some answers?

Mate the lad is a lost cause, he is either a bit slow or a total hypocrite. My guess is he is a happy medium of both those conditions.

He posts more crap than anybody ive ever seen!

Yes, I really like Brown. I'd have him at Leeds personally. I also don't believe Eastmond is a 7. He's a ball running 6. There's not much in the halfs ATM though. We have a good 5 or 6.

Presumably after McGuire's defensive show last night you're at least having second thoughts about that selection?

Not at all. He's been very good in general over the past 2 years defensivley.

If you watched tonights game you will also have noticed we looked the most dangerous we have all season when he was at 7. As soon as Burrow came on we broke down again on too many occasions.

I started a thread on ss about McGuire being better than Burrow at 7 and our resident statto tvoc posted Leeds results with him there.

Anyway a basic breakdown is: P-22 W-19 D-1 L-2

not a bad rate is it.

Sorry, but after this last weekend, anyone trying to sell the world a Leeds half ahead of Sam Tomkins wants his head examining.

Catalan are no test at all.

Tompkins is a 6. Where have I said McGuire is a quality 6. My point was all about him playing much better at 7.

Hey this is a bit scary, but I think that's now two things Saints and Wigan fans can agree on (the other being which is the biggest and best derby in RL) - Tomkins and Eastmond MUST be the half-back pairing for England.

Can't wait to see them develop a partnership at international level and take on the Aussies and Kiwis. Two very exciting players with different styles and both still with their best rugby ahead of them.

Eastmond can't control a game yet, I'd prefer to see Myler ATM. Eastmond will be an awesome talent but as time stands he's still a very good prospect.

Yes, he can.

I just don't see anything in McGuire that isn't bettered by either Tomkins or Eastmond.

Neither of the Leeds halves would even be in the running for me, at present. They, and in fact the rest of the Leeds team, are operating well below the standards at the top of the table. Granted that may change in time, but a Leeds fan coming on a Wigan message board and shouting that his England halves would be McGuire and Brown is a bit laughable.

Are you kidding me? Myler hasn't had an outstanding performance all year for Wire and reading reports from Wire fans has failed to take control with Briers being injured. From what I've heard and get updates from my Saints friends who go every week report back that Eastmond has been one of the stand out performers for them in the majority of their games.