Tbh i'd see Fielden as the man to make way at this moment in time. He looks to be in a comfort zone at the minute in that he knows he's got a place in the 17 and even him dropping down to the bench hasn't looked to fire him up.

I'd expect if we signed a new prop and kept Coley added to the fact it's fieldens last year we'd see a totally different player.

Thats can only help us.

Am i missing something?

Given we have agreed Pryce is staying for 1 more year at least i would be surprised if we did not retain Carmont. Pryce has not proved himself worthy of a centre spot neither has Goulding, next year is the year they need to step up with a view to taking the shirt from 2011 onwards. It would seem logical Carmont will remain for 1 final year in 2010 to me.

I would be very very surprised if we didn't keep Carmont for another year for the exact reasons you list above jon, nobody I'll feel is up to taking over that centre spot, or not yet anyway.

How can you seriously say that?
Don't we accept by now that we don't have any accurate information relating to existing Wigan salaries, etc.
Our situation re. the cap is not the same as other clubs, so just saying that 'other clubs can do it so we must as well' doesn't mean anything.

No I don't have any info re Wigan players salaries.
However, Smith is no longer at the club and his salary is available.
I do presume that Hock will shortly be given a two year ban and his salary will be available. Contract renewals may bring further money available.
How is our situation re the cap not the same as other clubs? The 2007 "adjustments" will be out of the system end of this year for most players. The only way it could be different is whether IL is now using benefit trusts, image rights and offshore a/cs etc as other clubs do. If he is not then we are at a disadvantage. If he is then surely we are not.
I cannot see with the Smith and Hock situations that plenty monies are not available for signings.
As I said, the players are there and the money is there, so what is the problem?

There isn't necessarily any problem yet. Nowhere is it written that we have to announce new signings at the same time as everyone else.

Although this is a joke? I am concerned by how people are believing that this would be a good move



Two forwards contracts are up at the end of the season and we need to strengthen in those areas as it is a weakness in our team and a reason why we lag behind the top two and it is something that nearly every Wigan fan acknowledges on this board. So why then are people now suggesting just re-signing them is a good move quite frankly baffles me.

We need to replace them with players who will be an improvement. I will stress this again we need improvement and not 'stability'. Especially not in your forwards. Halfbacks I can understand and I would maybe accept this nonsense of 'stability' if we were top of the league and in with a great shout of the grand final but we're not. If we want to get to the top again we're going to have to improve when average players like Coley and Bailey's contracts are up.

The same nonsense 'their form has improved this last season'. Improved from what? Very average! The only reason people have noticed them is because they have actually been above average. Not top draw which you would expect from one of your overseas players in Bailey in particular.

Why in the world we would want to extend Coley and Baileys contracts when players like David Kidwell, Frank Puletua, Carl Webb, Brent Kite are available I don't know.

Just suggests two things to me. Our owner does not know how to handle negotiations and our fans are accepting mediocrity.

dont suppose anything

we let go of all sorts of players last year on suspected mega bucks (barrett, higham) and signed likes of roberts.

when i posted where has the money gone i was shouted down by people saying we have increased contracts of players we already had.

dont assume that players leaving frees up cap space. common sense would say it should but i am in no way convinced our current chairman knows how to successfully use the cap.

we will likely lose smith, fielden, bailey, carmont and sign 2 bog standard sl players.

Why would we want to loan out two brilliant prop forwards who have been hard grafters for the club this season for Andy Coley? Who has only ever turned in above average performances and is pushing the end of his career and has never really out performed Paul Prescott or Eamon O'carroll like a senior player should do.

It's almost as daft as people saying we should loan out Michael McIlorum so we can bring in another halfback and move Leuluai to hooker.

I think you could safely argue that he knows how to use it better than the previous one.

And please don't just dismiss this as an irrelevant point. Mo's miscalculation almost got us relegated out of existance.

you might as well stay at home next year then. coley has been offered a new contract and has to choose between wigan , wire and saints by monday where he wants to go. I believe he wants to stay at wigan. that is his first choice by a very good source. sorry cadoo but dont come next year

surely carmont will be kept on? he was the best centre we had since renouf until gleeson was signed

Why would he go to Saints or Wire? He'd be about 87th choice i wouldnt even imagine they would be in for him. Id let him go anywere and run with Fielden Feka Prescott Eamon and Mossop if we didnt sign a new prop.

Coley would be an excellent signing for both of these teams as he’s a perfect third choice prop who will do a hard stint in a team with little reward or recognition much in the same way Fozzard used to do.

He’d fit right in at Saints when Cayless leaves and with Graham, Pauleta & Mary around him he’d excel there just like Fozzard did. Same goes for Warrington if they replace Rauhihi with Coley as he’d offer some graft when Morley and Carvell go off.

Coley gets a lot of undue criticism on here for me and I’d take him on a one year deal with a further year in Wigan’s favour at the expense of O’Carroll and still try to sign Webb. We could then replace Fielden with LMS the season after meaning the loss of O’Carroll potentialy won’t be that bad to handle.

Five front line props is the way forward for me and

LMS
Webb
Coley
Feka
Prescott

Is a good line up

I agree you need 5 and my 5 for next year would be Fielden Feka Prescott Eamonn and Mossop before Coley. I dont see this hes the perfect 3rd choice prop at all. Id be happy to see him go, get a rough and tough character in and loan out Eamonn or Mossop.

I’ve been impressed of late by Coley and I also didn’t think he was as bad as what some made out last season either.

If Coley goes to Saints he will be a major asset to them and strengthen their massively imo. Graham, Pauleta, Mary and Coley is a very good 4 prop interchange and he’ll be playing a big role there when Graham and Pauleta go off

I’m not saying he’s a world beater but a lot of the stuff he does gets unnoticed compared to Feka or Hock and imo Coley has been our best prop this season by some distance and gone about his business quietly and effectively.

I’d take him over O’Carroll any day of the week with the view to getting LMS in the season after.

your way off the mark. he is very underated by wigan fans. obviously people in the know recognise his stability . i agree he would propbaly be a bench player for saints but a very good one at that.

he is currently a starting prop before feka mossop and o carrol so how do you do you get to this starting lot??

what planet are you on???

He has been better than Fielden and feka since about March? I would be pleased if he stays for another year. He is a hard working prop who gets a lot of slating on here because he is unpopular. Mossop is a liability in defence but goes forward well.

believe me they are. this is fact. maybe hard to believe for the coley bashers .
it amazes me that he can be good enough for a plave at wire or saints but not to some fans on here. he has been on form this year.

anyway I hope he signs but only on a one year deal, and with Carl Webb.

Webb
Prescott
Coley
Feka

Fielden
Mossop

I think three of those five will definitely be at Wigan next season.


Fielden will still be here, not sure about Eamonn.

So three out of this five;

LMS
Coley
Feka
Webb
Prescott

Will be at Wigan next year? Feka, Prescott and Coley possibly?

Dam you got my excited there till i read who i put down!

I still think we need Carl Webb to give us that little bit of a fear factor

To let Coley go and sign nobody would be suicide!

We're bad enough with him let alone without.

Coley to stay as starting prop, a new prop to come in and start alongside him, Feka on the bench with Prescott, O'Carroll and Fielden to fight it out for the last place most weeks with the odd ocassion us playing 5 props against the likes of Catalans to counter their big pack meaning the 3 would fight for 2 spots.

People who think Fielden isn't going to be in our 17 are seriously deluded.

Well I am amazed and don't believe for a second Warrington and Saints are in for him.

I will still watch the club out of pure devotion and love for Wigan RL. But I will be bitterly disappointed that the couple of signings we are away from making us a great side again have not been made and will not be looking forward to seeing the same average players again.

I don't know why your laughing TBH. Unless your not a Wigan fan.