come on!! he did a great job there for sure. but world class? not even close

this shows everything about your knowledge of the game

no wait this is the worst come back ever!!

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tommy's not even in the same universe as theae guys as a 9

He looks fine when Leeds are dominating, see Manly game for a true reflection of his standing within a list of top line players.

oh yes if you like

Again the Wigan blindness comes out in the posts. We are talking backrow here.

Where did Ablett play against Manly? If you are basing opionions on that then its not suprising most of you sound positively dumb.

I have no idea what the point your trying to make is, and I very much doubt that you do.

yes!! good show!! judge a players total ability on one error. great thought went in to this i see.

in the same light we could take fieldens mega drop against leeds in the play offs. but we wont do that.

I don't know where you've seen a consistant run of performances from Ablett playing second row to suggest he's better than Hansen, Tomkins and possibly Hock.

Your the dumb one mate. You started speaking about our past glories when no one mentioned anything to do with it. Obsessed!!

Ablett is a solid enough player at the moment, he is certainly no centre but with a seemingly total lack of top class centres in rugby league he seemed to fill a gap. He is also a solid enough second row, reminds me a little of JJB when he first came on the scene solid if not spectacullar prone to the odd error.

Would he get in the Wigan team in the backrow, not a chance, that is no slur on him but we have a very strong backrow, you would have to say the player he could potnetially nudge out of contention would be Hansen, but he needs to add to his game significantly to challenge the workrate that Hansen brings to the party.

He would probably get in most teams backrows but not Wigan's as it stands at the moment. Simply because he is an unfashionable player I do not think he is poor, but equally he is certainly not that good at the moment either.

That was easy

I like the top right one.....I mean not that I want one, I not into that honest.

Well if you go back to 2007. He played consistently then in the secondrow when becoming a key part of the side going on to win a GF.

In 2008, whilst yes he did win another GF and was a key member of the team, he was very often asked to play centre. When Toopi was available or we switched Ellis to Centre he played in his true backrow position.

We have a very strong depth of backrow talent at Leeds, yet this Lad is picked in the team continuously. He is rated highly by two seperate GF winning coaches. That is good enough for me to suggest he is better than Hansen and Tomkins. With regards Hock, go back a few pages to where I mentioned it and understand fully what I said.

The best post on this subject so far IMO

Why was he only offered a one year deal?

All of which is a complete and utter irrelevance. Do you stand by your assertion that his medals automatically make him better or not? If so the argument holds true for all players...not just for Leeds players!

As for arrogance...I think you should check your own posts before levelling that accusation at anyone else.

the same reason scruton was. we have a pay structure at leeds. they were both offered better money for a year with a review at the end of the year or a longer deal but with less money a year.

If he was that good he would have had a better deal with somebody else being sacrificed.

Also, if he is as good as Disa says he is then he would have picked up a better, longer contract elsewhere.

In your opinion who has been best at managing contracts and the salary cap in SL, Leeds or Wigan?.

Leeds. Thats irrelevant though.

Are we not mentioning off shore bank accounts then

No

I've changed my mind about that bag, I dont have any shoes to go with it.

Not without knowing the full details of every contract at the club it isn't.

no we have plenty of cap space at leeds! leeds have a strict pay structure. something you pie's with your club would find hard to understand. leeds unlike wigan are the example of a well run cap so i dont expect you to get it.

how do you know ablett wasnt offered other contracts? and didnt stay at leeds for the love of the club, and a chance to play for a better contract, as i said he's on better money with a review at the end of the year, apposed to scruton who felt that the money the bulls offered was right for him at the time and signed for a poor club.

As if he'd turn down a two/three year deal from another Super League club just to stay at Leeds ''for the love of the club''. Get real.

Truth is, Leeds' offer was probably his only Super League option.