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| Quote ="LondonRobster"Not to mention any sponsors who need to know.
Behind the sceens all the people who need to know where we are with the coaching position will know, we as fans do not.
I keep repeating myself, but I'll say it again, there is nothing to gain from announcing anything at this time because I imagine there is nothing to confirm. If Noble was staying it would be announced, if he is leaving and we are in a position to say who the replacement is, it would be announced.
He is probably going and the replacement is either not confirmed/found (unlikely I imagine) or the replacemnent is under contract and therefore we cannot announce.
To just say he is off without a course of action to follow in the announcement is rubbish, you only tell people stuff when you have the full story.
You as a company owner do not tell your staff their boss is leaving unless you can then tell them what is going to happen once the boss is gone, therefore giving a sense of security to the team
Imagine a press conference where IL walks in and says 'Noble is not the coach next year', and then walks out.
We'd all be thrilled with that!!
There are a few reasons this tread is carrying on 1)People are bored and therefore keep banging on they need some news, 2) people have no faith in IL to do the job and therefore are fretting.
Personally I expect IL will at the end of the season produce a top coach and we will finally all be happy.[/quote
All, that will be a first on here !!!!!!!!!!!
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| Quote ="jonh"From my experience that would not be the case........and also who is to say it has not been, there have been more than one person including myself saying he will not be here beyond this season.'"
So thats the players disrespecting the fans as well. Damn them!! Damn them all.............!!
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| Their could be any number of reasons why nothing has been announced yet.
It could be Noble is staying or he might not want it announced publicly yet as things have not yet been finalized into what position he will be at the club he is going to.
It could be the new coach has not yet given notice that he will be leaving the club he is at.
It could be visa problems with the new coach or a player he wants to bring with him and the club do not want to be made look a fool as was the case on some occasions when Uncle Mo was dealing with things.
It could be that the new coach is at a super league club who are still in the playoffs and nothing will be announced until his team is out of the playoffs.
It could be we have no new coach as of yet and I.L. is trying to persuade Noble to stay.
Or the 200/1 shot is it could be at the end of the season I.L. will announce he has sold the club and the new owners and coach will be announced at the same time.
I am sure something will be announced at the end of the season but which one of the above i do not know or it could be something completely different.
Keep the faith
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| Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"Yep, who the coach of the team is going to be has nothing to do with the players does it?
We moved from:
- Why do the fans need to know?
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- Why do the players need to know?
We're now only one step away from
- Why does the new coach need to know who the new coach is?
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So far the only counter argument has been "Daveo wants to know so he can buy his season ticket" when I believe he has an automatic renewal anyway!!!!!!!
Even so he can wait if he wants to and not buy it until he is happy with who the new coach is going to be or if Noble gets an extension to his deal. Hardly compelling evidence for coming out with a statement now!!!!!!
So far we have :- who want to know!
DaveO
Wigan/Leeds Andy
Ashton Bears
Nicky Kiss
Anyone else so desperate to know what's going on?????
If so add your name to the list & I'll see if I can get you a Private meeting with IL!!!!!!
Once he's told you in secret you mustn't tell anyone on here as that could jeopordize the deal and if it doesn't come off you'll all look stupid!
Oh Wait a minute, that's maybe why he hasn't told everyone himself??
Anyway
Once that's done we can arrange for a similar meeting where he can tell you what players he has signed, why he's not signed other players, what he's paying everyone and why he lets Noble pick Roberts over Ainscough!
Again, you won't be able to tell anyone but at least You'll know what's going on so you can sleep better at night!!!!!!!!!
IL will then only be disrespecting the fans who actually don't think he's disrespecting them and he won't be disrespecting the fans who actually think he is disrespecting them!
That doesn't seem right does it?????
Maybe he should tell the people who don't want to know and let the people who do want to know dangle for a couple of weeks!
But then again the ones who don't want to know will probably tell the ones who do want to know who will tell everyone else and you know how it is everyone else will get the story wrong and there'll be confusion and then everyone will probably think it wasn't worthwhile telling anyone anything in the first place!
Anyway
I'm with Cruncher on this now, Not so much that I'm getting bored with it just that I'm getting so confused!!!!!!!
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| Quote ="Andy Greg"Their could be any number of reasons why nothing has been announced yet.
It could be Noble is staying or he might not want it announced publicly yet as things have not yet been finalized into what position he will be at the club he is going to.
It could be the new coach has not yet given notice that he will be leaving the club he is at.
It could be visa problems with the new coach or a player he wants to bring with him and the club do not want to be made look a fool as was the case on some occasions when Uncle Mo was dealing with things.
It could be that the new coach is at a super league club who are still in the playoffs and nothing will be announced until his team is out of the playoffs.
It could be we have no new coach as of yet and I.L. is trying to persuade Noble to stay.
Or the 200/1 shot is it could be at the end of the season I.L. will announce he has sold the club and the new owners and coach will be announced at the same time.
I am sure something will be announced at the end of the season but which one of the above i do not know or it could be something completely different.
Keep the faith'"
Suppose the new coach is am assistant coach in Australia whose team is still in the play offs. Would he automatically get a work permit to be head coach in England?
Would Noble stay on one more year, knowing that his new "assistant" would be taking over at the end of next season.
All possibilities and all the more reason not to disclose anything until all is finalised at the end of the season(s).
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| Andy Greg wrote: Their could be any number of reasons why nothing has been announced yet.
It could be Noble is staying or he might not want it announced publicly yet as things have not yet been finalized into what position he will be at the club he is going to.
It could be the new coach has not yet given notice that he will be leaving the club he is at.
It could be visa problems with the new coach or a player he wants to bring with him and the club do not want to be made look a fool as was the case on some occasions when Uncle Mo was dealing with things.
It could be that the new coach is at a super league club who are still in the playoffs and nothing will be announced until his team is out of the playoffs.
It could be we have no new coach as of yet and I.L. is trying to persuade Noble to stay.
Or the 200/1 shot is it could be at the end of the season I.L. will announce he has sold the club and the new owners and coach will be announced at the same time.
I am sure something will be announced at the end of the season but which one of the above i do not know or it could be something completely different.
Keep the faith
Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Suppose the new coach is am assistant coach in Australia whose team is still in the play offs. Would he automatically get a work permit to be head coach in England?
Would Noble stay on one more year, knowing that his new "assistant" would be taking over at the end of next season.
All possibilities and all the more reason not to disclose anything until all is finalised at the end of the season(s).'"
Shoul;d I add you 2 to the list who don't want to know then???
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Suppose the new coach is am assistant coach in Australia whose team is still in the play offs. Would he automatically get a work permit to be head coach in England?
Would Noble stay on one more year, knowing that his new "assistant" would be taking over at the end of next season.
All possibilities and all the more reason not to disclose anything until all is finalised at the end of the season(s).'"
There are just to many permutations to go into but one thing for sure Brian when its all done and dusted it will be announced. And i was going to say all will be happy but more likely 50% will be happy the others will be calling for his head within weeks.
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| Quote ="Jukesays"So far the only counter argument has been "Daveo wants to know so he can buy his season ticket" when I believe he has an automatic renewal anyway!!!!!!!
Even so he can wait if he wants to and not buy it until he is happy with who the new coach is going to be or if Noble gets an extension to his deal. Hardly compelling evidence for coming out with a statement now!!!!!!
So far we have :- who want to know!
DaveO
Wigan/Leeds Andy
Ashton Bears
Nicky Kiss
Anyone else so desperate to know what's going on?????
If so add your name to the list & I'll see if I can get you a Private meeting with IL!!!!!!
Once he's told you in secret you mustn't tell anyone on here as that could jeopordize the deal and if it doesn't come off you'll all look stupid!
Oh Wait a minute, that's maybe why he hasn't told everyone himself??
Anyway
Once that's done we can arrange for a similar meeting where he can tell you what players he has signed, why he's not signed other players, what he's paying everyone and why he lets Noble pick Roberts over Ainscough!
Again, you won't be able to tell anyone but at least You'll know what's going on so you can sleep better at night!!!!!!!!!
IL will then only be disrespecting the fans who actually don't think he's disrespecting them and he won't be disrespecting the fans who actually think he is disrespecting them!
That doesn't seem right does it?????
Maybe he should tell the people who don't want to know and let the people who do want to know dangle for a couple of weeks!
But then again the ones who don't want to know will probably tell the ones who do want to know who will tell everyone else and you know how it is everyone else will get the story wrong and there'll be confusion and then everyone will probably think it wasn't worthwhile telling anyone anything in the first place!
Anyway
I'm with Cruncher on this now, Not so much that I'm getting bored with it just that I'm getting so confused!!!!!!!
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So there's only four of us man enough to be able to take the news - yep sounds about right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Does that mean all the rest of you need protecting from yourselves and Lenagan is having to behave in a nanny state kind of way????????????
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| Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"So there's only four of us man enough to be able to take the news - yep sounds about right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Does that mean all the rest of you need protecting from yourselves and Lenagan is having to behave in a nanny state kind of way????????????'"
Nope!
I know this may be a bit complicated for you to understand but here goes!!!!!!!!!!!!
"We" aren't bothered, and, we don't think it is causing a problem at the club!
Simples really, Do you and your mates who are "Man Enough" to take the News going to be crying into your pillows tonight cos you still don't know!!!
Sounds like you lot are "Real Men" to me!
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| Quote ="Jukesays"Nope!
I know this may be a bit complicated for you to understand but here goes!!!!!!!!!!!!
"We" aren't bothered, and, we don't think it is causing a problem at the club!
Simples really, Do you and your mates who are "Man Enough" to take the News going to be crying into your pillows tonight cos you still don't know!!!
Sounds like you lot are "Real Men" to me!'"
It was actually tongue in cheek, obviosuly too complicated for you to understand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ah bless - so you "aren't bothered", yeah right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So if someone in the know said they knew what was happening and did you want to know - you'd say "no thanks"???????????????
Would the news be just too much for you to take on board because the play-offs are coming up and you really don't want that kind of distraction otherwise it might get in the way of your support?????????????????
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| Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"So there's only four of us man enough to be able to take the news - yep sounds about right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Does that mean all the rest of you need protecting from yourselves and Lenagan is having to behave in a nanny state kind of way????????????'"
Why do you always take this tough guy stand... There may be too many things to be considered here... its quite probable that not all is as black and white as you seem to think.... But thats life... Many teams change coach midseason or during a close season... Should they all be calling you first to see if its ok?? If people don't want to renew tickets thats their choice... And if the management of the club don't want to make an anouncement to appease you, do they not have the same right?
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| Dont give a flying fook when IL makes a announcment about the coaching situation. today or the end of the season
If somene knows the true facts by all means PM me and tell..But i have got more thinks to worry about than lack of announcments coming from the club
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| Quote ="Wigan Peer"Why do you always take this tough guy stand... There may be too many things to be considered here... its quite probable that not all is as black and white as you seem to think.... But thats life... Many teams change coach midseason or during a close season... Should they all be calling you first to see if its ok?? If people don't want to renew tickets thats their choice... And if the management of the club don't want to make an anouncement to appease you, do they not have the same right?'"
I was actually taking the p!ss but it seems like you're not the only one that might need things signposting otherwise it might go over your head.
It's not the first time where having expressed an opinion your only argument back is accusing me of wanting the club to test thing out with me first. I've obviously never indicated that but it seems it's the only way you can deal with things that don't agree with your opinion.
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| The only thing i would like the club to do is expand the coaching staff and have a Head Coach and 3 assistants 1 defensive 1 attacking and 1 kicking coach the have 2 fitness and conditioning coaches.
As the above positions are not covered with the cap i feel its one area we can expand on to improve our game
Then 2 Reserves coaches and 2 academy coaches and 2 looking after the youth.
And to the good of the National side we should have Super league the top comp
Then a first grade game for all Super League sides
Then a 12 team National League 1 and a 12 league National league and maybe a National league 3 comp.
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| Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"I was actually taking the p!ss but it seems like you're not the only one that might need things signposting otherwise it might go over your head.
It's not the first time where having expressed an opinion your only argument back is accusing me of wanting the club to test thing out with me first. I've obviously never indicated that but it seems it's the only way you can deal with things that don't agree with your opinion.'"
I so wish i could see the world thro your eyes...
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| Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"It was actually tongue in cheek, obviosuly too complicated for you to understand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I get it! When questioned, say you are taking the pi33 or it was tongue in cheek!
Ah bless - so you "aren't bothered", yeah right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, Damn right!!!!!! Is that so incomprehensible????
So if someone in the know said they knew what was happening and did you want to know - you'd say "no thanks"???????????????
I'd say, yes please, but I won't be losing sleep over the fact that IL most probably does know but isn't telling everyone! You obviously are!
Would the news be just too much for you to take on board because the play-offs are coming up and you really don't want that kind of distraction otherwise it might get in the way of your support?????????????????'"
No, I just don't, like a lot of other people, don't see what detriment it is having other than it's just something else for the IL Bashers and Rumour Whores to have a go at and this sometimes paints a negativity on the club when there is no need for it to be there! At ANY OTHER Club this Non- News would be just that, NON-NEWS!
At Wigan it is nigh on a crimial offence!
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"I don't get why people can't admit the whole process has been handled badly by Ian Lenagan.'"
He is immune from criticism. He can do no wrong at all, anyone who suggests he can or has is no fan of Wigan RL and clearly a DW apologist.
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| Quote ="AJ"He is immune from criticism. He can do no wrong at all, anyone who suggests he can or has is no fan of Wigan RL and clearly a DW apologist.'"
And what if he had announced it and we don't win our next couple of games/get knocked out in the 1st round of the Play offs and then everyone get's on his back and says he upset the Applecart at the wrong time of the season!
No-one is saying he is doing everything right, he is immune etc etc
I think there's just a few people who are realistic enough to know that whatever he does he will be criticised from some quarters for his decision.
He doesn't tell people and a lot of people whinge and have a moan! They then Blame IL
He does tell people and others criticise him for upsetting the club at the wrong time! They then blame IL
Those who don't see a problem if he does or he doesn't and can actually understand that there MAY be reason why it hasn't been announced will let whatever be, be! And understand that there's no reason to blame IL !!!!!!
I, and I suspect a few others, can actually grasp that and don't see a problem with this Non-News story!
Those who actually think it's a News story that there is No-News are entitiled to that opinion, but when confronted there doesn't seem to be a great deal of evidence to support "WHY" it is so wrong in not announcing any news?????
Shall I add you to the list BTW??????
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| Add me to the list???????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Quote ="CAM."Add me to the list???????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'"
Sure will !
So far we have :- who want to know!
DaveO
Wigan/Leeds Andy
Ashton Bears
Nicky Kiss
And CAM! (Who is he BTW?)
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| I, as one who thinks IL needs to not tell us anything - (because there is nothing he can tell us at the moment or he probably would have) am finding some of the comments on here getting to the point of madness.
I would say this to the likes of AJ - I am not a protector of IL, but like Jukesay I believe people are bashing IL for being professional and doing nothing wrong.
People seem to think because he has told us nothing then he is mismanaging the club and fans. No - he is staying quiet on something because he has to.
What are the IL bashers bashing him about? Not telling us something? Do you for a minute really think he has the ability to tell who the new coach is and he is sitting there thinking, naaa I'll leave them hanging and risk a drop in season tickets.
The man is a fan of this club as well as chairman and is also a self made millionaire, do you really think he would therefore not have the club and fans at heart and for that matter the buisiness sense to realise the best time to tell everyone?
Come on get a grip.
I bet he has a coach but he has had to sign a nondisclosure until his current employer is happy for this to be released.
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| Add me to the dont give a fook list please
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| Jukesays
You need to change it a little.
I think we would all like to know.
But some think they have the right to know
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| I don't care who it is or when it's announced as long as it's Michael McGuire. I still go along with the theory that by Lenegan divulging who will be our coach next year it could distract the players from focusing on the play-off's.
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