Griffin and Johnson. Brough

we would be lucky.

I just hope Mr Lenagan can pull a couple of rabbits out of his hat we're not expecting and that we'll be happy with.

If we sign only Griffin and Johnson i expect our crowds to be very low at the beginning of next year and thats no good to him.

I would sooner have Coley and Bailey resign.

If our only signings are Griffin and Johnson then the season tickets sales will be down over 1000 again.
The avge att will go through the floor!
At the moment it appears IL hasn't signed anyone.
He's plenty time and plenty quality players out there. He has to be prepared to pay the going rate to sign them. Other clubs are paying it and if we don't then we won't sign anyone!

Agreed.

If Griffin and Johnson are the best we can come up with we literally may aswell not bother.

Keep Hock and Smiths money to one side and see if anybody becomes available during next season.

I think that's what Lenegan has planned, after all he states about only signing quality players so if there none available what do you do, you wait till the right players are available and then you sign them and if it's 2011 then so be it. I'd rather wait till then than sign the above mentioned.

I just hope he does another couple of Gleesons. Proven good players who can be world class and win games. We do not need Thurston, Lockyer, Inglis, they would cost too much, we need a good TEAM. Thats what saints have, a TEAM they actually have so many average players, as shown in the WC.

I would agree, I don't think that average is the correct word it's probably a bit harsh, I would say more superleague quality is right. A prime example of this is Sinfield at Leeds, dependable and consistent with good enough skills to compete at this level but as we know when moving up to an international level he's severely exposed, yet he's good enough for this competition.

IL may as well shut the club down if he signs Griffin & Johnson.

Totally agree

If Coley is to be released than Griffin would be a good replacement, provided we signed another top class prop, which I believe we are trying to do.

There are plenty quality players out there OOC and there is no excuse for IL not signing one or perhaps two in the positions we need.
This "at the right price" is nonsense.
Other clubs are signing quality players and is at the right price if the deal is done.
The players are there and the money is there, so what's the problem in not signing them?

Please say that is a wind up and you have caught me.

Griffin wouldn't be a good replacement for Coley because he wouldn't be an improvement. You replace players with better ones and I believe Coley is better than Darrell Griffin or at the least on par so I think it would be a pointless signing. Sooner re-sign Coley than go for Darrell Griffin.

How can you seriously say that?

Don't we accept by now that we don't have any accurate information relating to existing Wigan salaries, etc.

Our situation re. the cap is not the same as other clubs, so just saying that 'other clubs can do it so we must as well' doesn't mean anything.

Quote ="Rogues Gallery"If Coley is to be released than Griffin would be a good replacement.'" Wigan can't seriously be in for this guy, Coley isn't world class, but he is much better than Griffin www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 And thats in a team that has been performing better than wigan

Quote ="Rogues Gallery"If Coley is to be released than Griffin would be a good replacement.'" Wigan can't seriously be in for this guy, Coley isn't world class, but he is much better than Griffin www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 And thats in a team that has been performing better than wigan

I still think Webb would be the right person for us next season as we are far, far to nice as a team in general.

He may not train the house down or give big motivational speeches but the one thing you can count on with Webb is that he’ll make yards and if, like on Friday, a few head high shots are handed out t to the likes of Tomkins or Phelps Webb won’t hold back or be nice about it like a few of our players did.

I also don’t try to listen to the whole the Aussies say he’s out of form bull as well. If you believe them then you’d have to believe the tripe they’ve come out with in the past

-Jaime Lyon is finished and doesn’t want it
-Talau will never make it at anything other than reserve grade
-Carmont should retire as no one wants him
Or my personnel favourite one is that they tried to convince us that Trent Barrett was finished and injury prone!!!

Every player is different and can find a new lease of life in SL just like Scott Logan did or Leuleui at Leeds is now doing.

Carl Webb is the prop for us imo.

Phelps, Coley and Bailey are all to be retained.

It doesn't suprise me.

I'm happy enough tbh. I'd have probably let Bailey go but i can see why they want him around with his experience.

We now 'must' bring in another top quality prop with Smith and Hocks money and the squad will look pretty good.

So Carmont and smith are the only 2 leaving?

I'd also assume that Bailey's contract will be less than what it is at the moment?

That should give us enough to get the prop we're after

Makes sense, Smith & Hock should free up enough money to make a signing that would improve us.

Ignore what I just said. ALthough I'm sure this will cheer you up.

What about Hock's cash? Is that availiable straight away? If so you should be trying to get someone over now if possible.

Forgot about Carmont.

I can see why they'd release him tbh but we'd struggle to find better. He's had his injury problems this year but in the main his form has been pretty good.

If we have Smith, Carmont and Hock all leaving and i'd presume Lenagan will have got Bailey and possibly Coley to re-sign on lower terms then we must have plnety of room to bring in a prop and another halfback.

I'd keep Carmont above all of the others who were out of contract.

Ainscough and Richards high try count has a lot to do with Carmont imo.

He’s been injured for a little bit of this season but again recently he seems to have come back into a good vein of form. He’s still a good player for me.

He can do another year whilst Goulding & Pryce try to work out what ever weaknesses they have.

if coley is being kept on and were bringing in another prop would that see either prescott/ o'carroll going out on loan and freeing up more cap space??