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ha ha ha ha thats the best joke on any forum, nice one should be a stand up commiedian

Is That one of these??

I can't remember who said it but comparing Sinfield to O'Loughlin is not easy - however here is my attempt.


[uKevin Sinfield[/u

Okay, he's the captain of arguably the best team in the SL era - you can't be a bad player to have this status, and any die-hard Lockers fan must admit this. In SL some of the things he comes up with are spectacular (40metre passes, 40/20 kicks from impossible positions), these actions spark his team into life from cardiac arrest sometimes, without Sinfield Leeds often look a shadow of the team they are.

Sinfield as an international, for whatever reason he has not and quite possibly will not repeat his SL reputation against the likes of Australia and New Zealand. Is it the players he's playing with? Maybe but I doubt it. The opposition is key to the reason.

NRL defense is based around speed of the line moving up, SL yes can be quick in that respect but more often than not the line is slow to move, this gives Sinfield (and many other players) more room to make things happen - change to international and suddenly instead of say 6metres to do something, Sinfield has 3 metres.

Sinfield has never really struck me as a player with lots of attacking capabilities - his passes and 40/20 kicks when done look great but he doesn't strike me as the kind of organisational player who organises his team, run's the lines to break defenses, puts big tackles in - this brings me onto O'Loughlin.

[uSean O'Loughlin[/u

Captain of arguably the greatest name in world RL - again you can't be a bad player to achieve this. Wigan are [ucurrently[/u a mid-table team, whether Wigan fan's would admit that or not, its true. However, we have reached 5 semi-finals with O'Loughlin as captain. Now some people would credit the semi-final appearences to other players - aka Barrett when he was here - but without leadership, which was clearly lacking in the coaching department, how can any team reach a semi-final?

How can any team go up to Leeds and beat them convincingly? How can any team come back from 30-0 down away at Bradford to win 31-30? Answer - no team.

O'Loughlin is a great all round player, in attack he's always looking for work and always very willing to do the hard graft and make the line breaking run's. He run's his blood to water even if he is played out of position, you could play him on the wing and he'd give nothing less than 100% (and I'm sure that is the same with Sinfield). He is not spectacular, nor is he the greatest ever, he simply does his job effectively for his team.

Defensively, run straight at him and you're in trouble, he can make some terrific tackles and really get his team up for the fight to win.

Internationally, I'd say he hasn't reached the heights (playing wise) he has at club level, then again not many have (with the exception of Morley, Fielden, Farrell etc) but he always put's in good performances.

Both Sinfield and O'Loughlin are two very different players, both the same position but they play their game differently, comparing the two not easy to do because of this.

quite a good review of the 2 players there,but you missed the most important part off regarding lockers
injured yet again !

sorry for deleting your review well written but didn't want to fill pages on quote

I take it you found it frustrating that Sinfield didn't take a grip of the game as I would expect him to do, we are lacking a loose forward to take this leader role since Hanley retired from the GB squad at the moment I don't see anybody yet to replace Sinfield

Sinfield again looked a bad of nerves at international level and didn't stamp his authority on a game bar a 10 minute spell just after halftime.

He like many others will have to step their games up miles of we're not to be totally embarrassed next week. He dithers on the ball too long at this level and i really worry about his safety next week.

He needs to start being more decisive in his decision making.

both are hard working loose forwards. however sinfield puts in 40 pitter patter tackles a game but sean puts in tackles that hurt. Sinfield has a better kicking game but we need a loose that will stick it to the aussies. the fact we need a loose to compensate for the kicking game of our halves shows what a poor state the british game is in.

You've hit the nail on the head with the last sentence, it's the reason why DJ is a better first choice lock than Gallen for Aus as Lockyer and Thurston are doing their job properly, and even then they still have Cam Smith to contribute as well.

Infact it's a huge general difference in the game over there and here. Hookers add the extra kicking on the whole, whereas so many of ours are scooters

Just because its a different team with a different stle of play. For a starter most of the things I named where leadership qualitys, making decisions in games etc. Hopefully out best 6 and 7 in the country should be able to make these desicions, while a club may struggle, because they can't pick the "elite" players.

Secondly its a different style of game for me. I'd rather have a loose than hits a hole, tackles hard and can also throw that pass when he needs too. The first two arn't Sinfields best qualities.

Has anybody from the World Hide & Seek Championships found Sinfield yet ?

Sinfield will be involved because Smith will want a kicker.

TBH he was poor, but he isn't the problem. There are several others ahead of him in the need to be dropped queue.

I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here but I think the problem with Sinfield at International level might not be him, but the attitude of the team around him towards him.
At Leeds he is the captain and has the full backing and respect of his team mates, allowing him to play the style of Rugby that he does (after all Leeds half backs don't exactly have a kicking game). But at international level he is just a everyday player who may or may not have the teams full backing and respect after all Leeds aren't the most liked team amongst SL.
Just one point was in the warm up the camera's where on him the team did 3 passing drills and didn't give the ball to him once, and him seemed to say FFS pass me the ball, (and that was in the warm up.

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this proves to all Reading your posts without doubt you know nothing about the Leeds halfbacks or the way Leeds play but more importantly you know absolutely nothing about the game of rugby league!

But to be fair, both Sinfield and McGuires kicking game was very poor last night, wasn't it?

We also had a scrum half in there that was supposed to "guide us around the park"

I bet Gregory, Edwards and Hanley were sat shaking their heads in shock at to how poor a midfield trio (as a team) were.

how can a player who was at the top of the tackle count, score a try, have a try assist and score nearly 50% of a teams points be classed as going missing?

Don't be silly.

Everything in the garden is rosy.

The CC is working.

RL in this country has never been better.


We are awash with talent, and if some defect to RU then so be it, we have more than enough to replace them.

thought sinfield and mcguire played and kicked well! thought myler did most of the kicking that was poor! but thought a lot of pressure that was put on our kickers came from roby who simply has crap dummy half distribution

Thought roby, Moore, graham, burgess, Westwood, shenton, myler and briscoe were the players that really need to have a look at themselves.

Maguire was shocking

To say Graham needs to look at himself is laughable he looked more dangerous with ball in hand than any of the so-called half backs. and he had good go forward

Must have been at the other end of the pitch to me, went straight down every time I saw him take it in. The only time I noticed him looking dangrerous was when he ran a great line but over ran the pass, spilling the ball as a result, would have scored for sure if he'd timed it better. Having said that he's a good player on the back of a good season so I wouldn't drop him.

isn't it funny how opinions are so polarised? obviously people have various agenda re certain players! the poster above saw what I saw in graham! You though mcguire was shocking I didn't. Funny old game isn't it

None of the Leeds players then? That's a Surprise!

And you have the Nerve to say the previous poster knows Nothing about RL!

MCGuire was anonymous and his kicking game was terrible!
The 3/4qtrs received almost Zero ball from him and he didn't dictate The game like a Half back should it wasn't until Sinfield moved himself closer to the action 2nd half did we slightly improve.

Myler was anonymous 1st half but at least "Slightly" better second although that's not saying much!

FWIW based on Smith's other selections I find it baffling that he hasn't selected Burrows in the squad as maybe as a 3 they play better?

And there's nobody going to convince me that the squad wouldn't be better with Burrows/Gleeson/Pryce & JJB in it!

Fully agree Brett, see my Well done RFL post.

He didn't play too well last night in the first half. He was so upset with himself when he mistimed his run for the try. But I think you have been a bit too harsh there. He improved in the second half and made metres. He's bound to go down eventually. He's not Moi Moi. (although even Moi Moi surrenders to tackles sometimes!) He is a ball carrying prop, there to distribute as well as make metres and some of his passes were excellent.

Take it your joking?

McGuire and Sinfield had stinkers bar a 10minute spell at the start of the 2nd half when Sinfield pulled himself together.

Not saying i disagree with the other names mentioned bar maybe Graham and Shenton who i thought did ok-ish. If Graham could have held onto the ball he'd have been doing alot better.