JCGE
87 central park wigan
we love you we love you
nah nah nah nah nah hey hey wigan warriors
then the random tune with the long drummin that has no lyrics but some tune, duno what its called.


Don't mind the odd one obviously but think it's a bit blatant ripping off to many.

Dublin GAA song actually

Either way you get my drift

No mate no idea

No they can't. Only one of the home stands is not reserved seating so haw can fans congregate?



They do and I thought the best of that tonight was when we had to defend because we actually had a game to watch as opposed to a procession. We do IMO get great atmosphere when Saints and Wire come. Leeds used to bring fans but don't do so in good enough numbers now. It will be interesting to see how promoting Hudds as the Big One works out.

You need two things for a good atmosphere IMO. A competitive game and some away fans to shout at. We might get more of the former these days but I reckon we get far less of the latter than when we were at CP and winning everything in sight.

So if people in the south stand wanted to sing then they would move towards the back.

You need fans for a good atmosphere. Fans all over europe sing for 90mins even if they are getting beat.

Slightly off topic but in regards to atmosphere I really do think away fans make a game at the DW.

I'm worried about advertising our game to new fans at the big one 3 as whilst it will be a good crowd it don't think it will be a good atmosphere as they won't generate an opposition atmosphere like Leeds, Saints, Wire or both Hudds would.

Well you can sing for the sake of it I suppose but my two best ever club ground atmospheres were one at Central Park and another at the DW. The first was when were in the "mission impossible" season and were 18-2 down to Bradford and came back to draw. The other was also against Bradford when we won 31-30 after a last second try and conversion. The atmosphere at those two games had nothing to do with singing.

I agree you can have an awesome atmosphere without too much singing but yes you are right that kind of thing doesn't happen without a good game.

My hope is that we will see the numbers of the Brigantes grow and we can get enough people sat together in the south stand to make sure every home game we give the players the support they deserve.

That would be the KC.

2 of them are inspired by St Pauli songs and the last one sounds like Dale Cavese (Italian team).

If they aren't sung by other RL clubs then I don't see a problem which football club inspired the song.

Seeing as Everton shamelessly rip Celtic off as well Liam and don't have any of their own songs I imagine that you are getting this from both your clubs

ultras , why no flag waving last night ??

Fully agree. Was 20 19 though

For those interested (and a few were when this thread started), Saints' bank debt going into the new stadium has been confirmed as zero.

£3m convertible bond and £3m "private debt facility" obtained from private sources (i.e. McManus and his cashed up pals). All pre-existing bank debt wiped out and stadium and fit out paid for.

From the gushing press release, it sounds like Mike Coleman (St Helens lad, Saints fan and hedge fund manager in Singapore) has put his hand in his pocket for most of it.

What McManus has achieved for the club in his tenure (given the economy) is quite remarkable.

Can't wait for 2012 to start.



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Go to agree, the business acumen of Mcmanus and a nice network of loaded friends has helped considerbly and has to be appluaded

Nice stadium looks good cant wait for the first derby game in there, lets hope you lot get out and support in numbers

So instead of Saints owing the bank £6 million. They now owe the majority of it to to Mike Coleman and a few others? I fail to see a difference. Saints still have to pay it back don't they, granted with little to no interest I presume. But it's still a debt of £6 million.

Or is it a gift of £6 million that won't have to be repaid at all?

Great looking stadium though. Can't wait to win the first ever derby match held there!

You don't? How odd.

Maybe you'd like to explain it to those of us who are numerically challenged. Rather than being a smart ar*e about it.



I'm genuinely interested as to what's the difference between owing it to one person or another in this instance. Saints still owe it don't they?

Unless it's been turned into equity, it'll still show up as debt in the accounts.

Nice little stadium.

They do, in the same way they owed millions in directors loans which they no longer owe because they were converted into shares by the friendly "creditors". The best part of another million quid was written off in this way in this press release. When was the last time you saw a Bank decide it would write off millions of pounds in exchange for basically worthless shares in a rugby league club?

Saints new stadium has been funded by the Board and their rich chums. Do you reckon hedge fund managers lend to Saints because they think a hitherto loss-making rugby league club it is the best place for their cash? They have lent Saints the money because they are Saints fans and want the stadium built and the club debt free (other than their own "friendly" stakes).

It is a very clear distinction. Put it this way, do you reckon a multi-millionaire Saints fan is going to pull the plug on the club if they don't get their quarterly loan instalment? It's investment in the club by rich fans, rather than borrowing at horribly high interest rates from a commercial Bank (not that they would lend much to an institution like Saints anyway).

Saints lost around £1.3m on the 2010 accounts.
The financial year 2011 will have been very difficult so has Coleman underwritten the debt from those two years with his money? Or will he be funding the £2m fit out of the new place? It's not clear to me when he put the money in, exactly how much and where the money still required is to come from.
I'm sure it'll all be sorted in the end as McManus is getting Saints where many Saints fans thought might never be, in a new stadium.
Looks excellent, the Good Friday game should sell out weeks before!

Thnx FTV. I don't work in the financial sector so most of this is above and beyond me.



£6 million turned into shares/equity in Saints. Must be a pretty large chunk of St Helens that just been sold by McManus. Begs the question whether he'll still be the majority shareholder at the club.

Saints losses have no doubt been funded in the same way they have for the past goodness knows how many years - cash in from directors, which eventually get converted to shares (another £900kish has been so converted recently). These losses don't sit waiting to be funded at some point in the future - they result in cash requirements that have to be funded there and then. What happened in 2010 has been and gone, in the same way as what happened in 2011 has. The losses were funded at the time and the fact that the release states that Saints have no bank debt suggests that they were funded by the directors again.

Not quite - that £6m will sit in the balance sheet as debt, albeit debt due to Saints directors/fans as opposed to a Bank.

£3m of it is likely to be converted into shares in due course (the convertible bond). The other £3m is, I imagine, to be paid back over time if the club can do so.

McManus mentions in the statement that he expects the bond to be converted into shares, and that new shares will be issued (no doubt the majority of which will be bought by existing shareholders) to pay down the other loan (or a proportion of it).

As things stand it will be in the balance sheet as debt, but its like owing your dad rather than owing a loan shark