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| Quote ="Asgardian13"For your sake I hope you get the player formerly known ( in Saints and GB days ) as Martin Gleeson. He has been nothing more than a workmanlike centre for us for the vast majority of games he's played in the last three years, so we can do without him. Mathers has not been signed as a replacement for Gleeson, and only a fool would suggest otherwise. Mathers has had the same problem playing for you as Gleeson had playing for us - never recapturing his best form. We're short of a full-back so we'll take the £100k, a spare No 1 and start looking for a new centre.'"
To be fair, I think the deal works well for both parties.
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| Quote ="Asgardian13"For your sake I hope you get the player formerly known ( in Saints and GB days ) as Martin Gleeson. He has been nothing more than a workmanlike centre for us for the vast majority of games he's played in the last three years, so we can do without him. Mathers has not been signed as a replacement for Gleeson, and only a fool would suggest otherwise. Mathers has had the same problem playing for you as Gleeson had playing for us - never recapturing his best form. We're short of a full-back so we'll take the £100k, a spare No 1 and start looking for a new centre.'"
Ouch, did you really need to edit my post to make yourself feel better.
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| Quote ="Glynola"They are really pushing the 'can play at six' angle, I wouldn't be too surprised to see him there a fair few games this season.
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I dont think we will see him at 6 unless we are struggling with injuries and really bad form.
I just think its a line Ian Lenegan likes to throw in when he signs players. He did it for Phelps and Roberts IIRC and they havent played at 6 yet.
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| Quote ="NickNJ"To be fair, I think the deal works well for both parties.'"
Yes we get a 1st teamer and they get a reserve player
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| Quote ="- Neil -"I dont think we will see him at 6 unless we are struggling with injuries and really bad form.
I just think its a line Ian Lenegan likes to throw in when he signs players. He did it for Phelps and Roberts IIRC and they havent played at 6 yet.'"
Agreed, there is an emphasis on players involved at all clubs across Super League with regards to versatility.
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| Classic on the Wire forum:
Quote i love how the wigan fans are trying to goad us and are having 'a big laugh' at us when
1. He was going anyway
2. He's a shadow of the player he used to be
3. He's a sulker
4. He likes his liquid (interpret that as you like)
5. He's selfish (someone explain the concept of a winger to him)
6. We are a team on the up and you over the past couple of season are going the other way
Wigan
guess what?
we don't care!
read TS's statement "committed players only"'"
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| My darling Elizabeth.
That spiffing Wolf fella has just given me a whopping big cheque for you for £100,000.
Hurrah.
Love forever.
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| Quote ="cadoo"Classic on the Wire forum:'"
Is this the selfish centre that made Henry Fa'fili look like a world beater?
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| Quote ="cadoo"Classic on the Wire forum:'"
No his winger will score tries but he does have a habit of making the pass at the last minute. Faifili scored 25 tries in a season all from about 5-10m out.
However plenty of rubbish on here when so many of your supporters seem to keep forgetting that Smith doesn't want Gleeson and we have pocketed £100k. It isn't about Mathers.
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| Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"Is this the selfish centre that made Henry Fa'fili look like a world beater?'"
Super leagues top try scorer one year IIRC
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| Quote ="wiganrlforever"Super leagues top try scorer one year IIRC'"
See the above. Faifili was the ideal winger for Gleeson as he was strong and able to convert from close range.
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| Quote ="mark_m"No his winger will score tries but he does have a habit of making the pass at the last minute. Faifili scored 25 tries in a season all from about 5-10m out.
However plenty of rubbish on here when so many of your supporters seem to keep forgetting that Smith doesn't want Gleeson and we have pocketed £100k. It isn't about Mathers.'"
You may of pocketed 100K but money in the bank wont win you games. At the end of the day until you sign a replacement for Gleeson then you have basically swapped Gleeson for Mathers as it stands right now. Only when you sign Gleesons replacement can you claim to be better off. Until you sign a decent centre you have weakened your team.
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| Anybody noticed the third sticky down on the wolves forum first page......... I guess they can consider that vacancy filled now then
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| Quote ="Red Hot Jalapeno"You may of pocketed 100K but money in the bank wont win you games. At the end of the day until you sign a replacement for Gleeson then you have basically swapped Gleeson for Mathers as it stands right now. Only when you sign Gleesons replacement can you claim to be better off. Until you sign a decent centre you have weakened your team.'"
Fair but most people will realise we will sign new players and one of them will be a centre. Lets face it neither of us stand any real chance of winning SL with Leeds or Saints about anway.
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| Quote ="Red Hot Jalapeno"You may of pocketed 100K but money in the bank wont win you games. At the end of the day until you sign a replacement for Gleeson then you have basically swapped Gleeson for Mathers as it stands right now. Only when you sign Gleesons replacement can you claim to be better off. Until you sign a decent centre you have weakened your team.'"
Not neccessarily. Is off field antics and general "did not want to play here" attitude caused more problems than he solved. Dont get me wrong, on his day, big gleese is awesome, & if you get him to apply his obvious talent on a weekly basis you will have a star on your hands. For us, most sensible fans can only applaud a coach who lets go a current GB international with the wrong attitude who clearly did want to play for our club. Good deal all round for both clubs, and TS may not sign a replacement until the close season. With no relegation, he doesnt need to rush either & he can afford to plan accordingly without panic buying.
Mathers doesnt even become part of the deal as the understanding is that Wigan let him go & we signed him on a free. New rumour has it that Reardon is about to be cut & above mathers, we have two better fullbacks on the books anyway. TS has nothing to lose with him, especially if he can regain his former leeds form. Some times, a club signing just does not work out - for a variety of unknown reasons
I for one will watch gleese closely to see if he remains the same or realises he is the last chance saloon now.
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| Quote ="Asgardian13"For your sake I hope you get the player formerly known ( in Saints and GB days ) as Martin Gleeson. He has been nothing more than a workmanlike centre for us for the vast majority of games he's played in the last three years, so we can do without him. Mathers has not been signed as a replacement for Gleeson, and only a fool would suggest otherwise. Mathers has had the same problem playing for you as Gleeson had playing for us - never recapturing his best form. We're short of a full-back so we'll take the £100k, a spare No 1 and start looking for a new centre.'"
You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.
Pop quiz. Can you name a centre who has been in the top 20 in SL for the last 3 seasons in Try Assists, Offloads and Clean Breaks and (whose winger has been in the top 20 for Tries) in 2006, 2007 and 2008?
Very 'workmanlike' indeed!
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| Quote ="odemwingie"This is the biggest bargin in the history on rugby league no joke.'"
CBA reading all 12 pages, but it wasn't a straight swap you know. Don't forget the six-figure sum PLUS Mathers we got for him
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| Quote ="Jesus Of Suburbia"CBA reading all 12 pages, but it wasn't a straight swap you know. Don't forget the six-figure sum MINUS Mathers we got for him'"
Edited for accuracy.
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| Quote ="Jesus Of Suburbia"CBA reading all 12 pages, but it wasn't a straight swap you know. Don't forget the six-figure sum PLUS Mathers we got for him'"
Yeah we know. Alot of the 100k we will get back after thrusday cos Gleeson signing mite bring in 3000 more fans at £18 at ticket we've already got more than half it back
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| Martin Gleeson ? well they kept that one quiet .... what a surprise !
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| Quote ="Jesus Of Suburbia"CBA reading all 12 pages, but it wasn't a straight swap you know. Don't forget the six-figure sum PLUS Mathers we got for him'"
Which effectively takes the figure into a minus
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| Quote ="Katrina"Which effectively takes the figure into a minus
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Stop stealing my material
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| Thoroughly happy with the signing, partly because we may now start to see the best of Roberts.
Gleeson has always had great footwork, and been able to create space for his winger, and hopefully we will see just what Roberts can do with some open field in front of him.
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| Not happy at all.
Who the f*ck am I gonna take my frustrations out on now Mathers has gone???
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