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| If we can avoid doing our usual self destruct trick and gifting you points, I can't see you beating us.
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| Quote ="TF and the wire"If we can avoid doing our usual self destruct trick and gifting you points, I can't see you beating us.'"
On our day we can beat nearly everyone in the league, you included. Same goes for you, if Morley and Carvell completely overpower our front row we'll seriously struggle. However if we can at least compete with you in the forwards then I think our backline has the ability to take yours apart.
Gonna be a great game though i reckon.
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| Quote ="howley-wire"for me it will come down to experience and nerves , not many of your players as been in a semi final before ,, the likes of mossop tomkins brothers flanagan havent been in a semi or a final so they will be under pressure , but players like morley carvell briers clarke westwood have if u compare both teams u would find that wire has more experience of being in a big game'"
Leuluai- world cup final
Fielden- Many semi finals and finals and world club challenge, are there any wire players currently who have played in as many as him?
Richards- NRL grand final
Bailey- SOO
Lockers- Our captain and has played in a semi before
Gleeson- Played in many big games
Hanson, McIlorum, Richards, Goulding all played in the 2007 semi.
Also many of our players played in last years world cup or have represented their country at some point.
Not to mention for the last 2 years Wigan have been just one step away from old trafford and most of our players on saturday will of played in the play-offs in high pressure games at Leeds.
We are far more experienced than wire in this area.
I cannot believe you actually said that.
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| Quote ="TF and the wire"If we can avoid doing our usual self destruct trick and gifting you points, I can't see you beating us.'"
Like you did at Leeds? What was the score when we played em the week before. You are right - we have absolutely no chance unless you gift us points. And some of your fans call us deluded.
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Leuluai- world cup final
Fielden- Many semi finals and finals and world club challenge, are there any wire players currently who have played in as many as him?
Richards- NRL grand final
Bailey- SOO
Lockers- Our captain and has played in a semi before
Gleeson- Played in many big games
Hanson, McIlorum, Richards, Goulding all played in the 2007 semi.
Also many of our players played in last years world cup or have represented their country at some point.
Not to mention for the last 2 years Wigan have been just one step away from old trafford and most of our players on saturday will of played in the play-offs in high pressure games at Leeds.
We are far more experienced than wire in this area.
I cannot believe you actually said that.'"
I think what he was trying to say is that you have more young players in your squad you wouldn't have felt the pressure of a semi final
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| As most have called it, our weakness and wire strength, is their front row.
So it's going to need rather a lot of tough tackling.
I was very surprised to hear that IL won't be signing any new players for next season. A bad mistake for me, as we are weak in one or two key areas, especially front row.
Oh for a Brian McTigue !
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| Quote ="Who are ya!!"I think what he was trying to say is that you have more young players in your squad you wouldn't have felt the pressure of a semi final'"
if Bailey and Lockers come back as expected then there will only be Mossop and Tomkins who haven't played in a final eliminator or semi i believe.
Sam's not one for lacking in confidence or nerves and i think Mossop will be part of a reasonably experienced pack with Lockers and Bailey around him.
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| Quote ="Who are ya!!"I think what he was trying to say is that you have more young players in your squad you wouldn't have felt the pressure of a semi final'"
I tell you now Sam and Joel will not feel any pressure for this game, Sam certainly won't anyway.
He did actually say though that not many of our players have been in a semi final before and indicated that wire had more experience and my argument is the just don't. Alot of wire players have not played in big games. Matty Blythe, Chris Bridge, Mike Cooper, Ben Harrison, Lee Mitchell, Chris Riley, and Ben Westwood all have big experience of big games do they? I would even say some of your more experienced guys like Briers and Carvell still do not have as much experience as some of our players.
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| Quote ="TF and the wire"If we can avoid doing our usual self destruct trick and gifting you points, I can't see you beating us.'"
If we dont gift you field position i cant see you beating us. mistakes and stupid pens is the only reason i can see for you beating us.
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| Quote ="inside_man"if Bailey and Lockers come back as expected then there will only be Mossop and Tomkins who haven't played in a final eliminator or semi i believe.
Sam's not one for lacking in confidence or nerves and i think Mossop will be part of a reasonably experienced pack with Lockers and Bailey around him.'" Yeah,the nerves wont get to Mossop, all he wants/has to do is tackle anything that moves and run the ball in as fast as he can he'll go great
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Leuluai- world cup final
Fielden- Many semi finals and finals and world club challenge, are there any wire players currently who have played in as many as him?
Richards- NRL grand final
Bailey- SOO
Lockers- Our captain and has played in a semi before
Gleeson- Played in many big games
Hanson, McIlorum, Richards, Goulding all played in the 2007 semi.
Also many of our players played in last years world cup or have represented their country at some point.
Not to mention for the last 2 years Wigan have been just one step away from old trafford and most of our players on saturday will of played in the play-offs in high pressure games at Leeds.
We are far more experienced than wire in this area.
I cannot believe you actually said that.'"
O'Loughlin played in the '03 Super League final and the '04 CC final too, a stage hardly any wire players have got too (cba checking if any have played a challenge cup final, maybe Morley)
edit: forgot about Johnson, with us in '02
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| Apart from the Warringtons props, Monaghan and Lee Briers are the danger men for me. Briers for his kicking game and drop goals. Let's hope Briers mouths off to Ganson one too many times and gets binned!
Both teams are quite evenly matched and on paper it should be a good game, with a lot of key battles across the pitch. However matches aren't won on paper (as Wigan know too well this season).
The key men could well be the coaches of the teams.
Wigan to win by 6-10 points.
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| For me starting Feka is a good idea, we need to get on top of their props from the off, they will most likely start Morley and Carvell to try and get on top of us.
If they get a roll on early on by walking over Preccy and Coley then we could be in serious trouble come the end of the first quarter.
IMO our centres and wings are ahead of their centres and wings, we will just have to see how Mr Briers copes with a big game, he could sink or swim for me
King is dangerous close to the line, I'd be watching that closly, he is excellent at getting low and powering over.
Warrington are most definatly not a team to be underestimated, the key battle will be in the middle of the park, Riddell, nows the time to shine. Make some happy Wiganers for us.
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| Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"Quite simple for me on Saturday - we win the forward battle and we should win the game. We need to make sure Morley and Carvell are on the back foot. If they are we should win, but we were in the same position last Friday and still managed to lose the game. I'd start Feka and simply give him the instruction to run at Morley and Carvell every time he has the ball to knacker them out.'"
I can't see 2 runs tiring them out to be honest, although I totally agree with your point. I think our pack is much stronger than yours and if we still have Moz and Carvell to bring on with 15 to go in a close game then it may swing it our way. I don't think it will come to that though in fairness as you are playing the better rugby at the moment and full of confidence and the lad Tomkins as well as being hard to look at it proving difficult to stop.
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| Quote ="odemwingie"I tell you now Sam and Joel will not feel any pressure for this game, Sam certainly won't anyway.
He did actually say though that not many of our players have been in a semi final before and indicated that wire had more experience and my argument is the just don't. Alot of wire players have not played in big games. Matty Blythe, Chris Bridge, Mike Cooper, Ben Harrison, Lee Mitchell, Chris Riley, and Ben Westwood all have big experience of big games do they? I would even say some of your more experienced guys like Briers and Carvell still do not have as much experience as some of our players.'"
Westwood has playoff experience ans also played in the last semi
Briers has played in 2 or 3 semi's and playoffs
Carvell has SL GF and CC final experience
Further on from that:
Hicks: NRL GF
Mona's NRL GF
Morley: NRL GF, SL GF
King NRL GF, SOO
Rau: NRL GF
Mathers: SL GF, WCC
Thats just off the top of my head.
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| Its plain and simple really, its all about who wins the forward battle!
Although leauge positions says we are the better team (not a dig before you start) I think the back lines are pretty even.
If we control the front row, we should be favorites to win, however controling the front row is where we are shocking.
It will either be game of the year, or a walking day as both teams have the capacity to monumentally balls it right up!
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| Quote ="Sharpy_4a"Its plain and simple really, its all about who wins the forward battle!
Although leauge positions says we are the better team (not a dig before you start) I think the back lines are pretty even.
If we control the front row, we should be favorites to win, however controling the front row is where we are shocking.
It will either be game of the year, or a walking day as both teams have the capacity to monumentally balls it right up!'"
Totally agree, squeaky bum time now.
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| We need to play Warrington at their end of the park. Sounds obvious, but it's not always easy to pull off. However, this was the plan at Murrayfield and it worked a treat.
A good kicking game - constantly pushing them back to their own line, good discipline and respect for possession will pay huge dividends. This is the way you neutralise a bigger opposition pack, by giving them eighty yards to make every time they get the ball.
We can't afford to rely on line defence. It didn't work last Friday and it won't work this Saturday.
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| We need to get on top of Carvell & Morley, that is true. But I think it could also come down too how we handle Briers & Monaghan, if we cut down their supply then they cant hurt us. It could also be interesting to see how Hicks / King go against Carmont / Richards, and vice versa.
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| Totally agree that up front is key. However Coley and Prescott have really impressed of late, and IMO are our best 2 props. I think the crunch will come when Feka and Fielden come on. Feka is great going forward but monaghan may target him from the dummy half position. Fielden really needs to put a big game in. Hopefully Morley will clock him one early and he will get riled up and really shine(i remember him having a stormer against leeds once after tangling with Peacock). His good games are few and far between , lets home Saturday is one!
I have no concerns over the backs. I think we have a real edge in pace and ability and if Mathers sticks to the script he will have a shocker!
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| If you defend like last friday, you'll walk it
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| If the kicking game is good and we can keep the pressure on Mathers then we will win comfortably.
Wire are a decent side with ball in hand, but defensively they are very poor. How many times this season have they conceded 30 or more points?
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| Quote ="Johnny F"More of the same what the team have served up in the past few weeks,
We know we are better than Dire, and they know it also they have made so much about this semi final deep down they know it is there final
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I will remind you of this statement on Sunday... after my hangover has cleared...
I have to say 4/5 weeks ago I was very confident of a Wire win, however now, I do believe it is too close to call. I think all of the Wigan "bigging up" talk is becasue deep down you are as unsure as I am.
Anyway, enjoy the game... may the best team win (and no silly Ref decisions to take away from the winning team).
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