forum /"fO;r@m/
· n. (pl. forums)
1 a meeting or medium for an exchange of views.
2 chiefly N. Amer. a court or tribunal.
3 (pl. fora) (in an ancient Roman city) a public square or marketplace used for judicial and other business.
– ORIGIN ME: from L., lit. ‘what is out of doors’.

thanks for clearing up the definition , i now feel safe in the knowledge that i too can use the wigan board as a medium (don't mention mediums in wakey) to express my views and opinions.

IMHO

you are talking out off your bum if you think the cap is killing the sport

Of course you are free to express your opinions...as indeed am i...

It absolutely sickens me to think about how much of a hold RU has got over us at the moment with regards to pinching our players. I know at this stage it is just a rumour, but even so if lee smith goes it will again be a massive knock to our game. I really was quite shocked to read the attitudes of some of the Wakey support, in some respects I find this more concerning that the fact that union are poaching our best players after all that is only natural, why would you not want the best?.

Jonh, I thought you fought a good battle with those numptys, however the old saying “there is no point arguing with an idiot” springs to mind when I read some of their responses (especially about Farrell being pot!!!!).

I am on a bit of a downer after reading this, I always thought that to be a league fan you had to have this “us v them” attitude. I can’t believe people would condone it, never mind encourage it because it does not affect their club.

It beggars belief.

That thread is the main reason why i dont bother posting on other teams boards. As soon as they find out your a wigan fan, it turns into a anti wigan rant about how we only want the rules changing so we can buy success again.

I dont even bother to tell them the reason we could 'buy' success, was our success was based on the intial winning of the team and a want to become the best team in the world at our sport.

Any reasoned argument is usually followed by

Well you only won cos you were the only full time team, or more recently

you should have been kicked out of the league for breaking the cap!

You cant reaon with people who have made up their mind regardless of facts!

it is us against them , i think the cap as secured more clubs in SL than it has harmed . Why is it whenever some folk have a difference of opinion it makes them numptys. FACT when wigan could spend all they wanted and won everything as the little clubs scrapped up 8th rate aussies the sport was about to die , The cap evens the field why should i agree when its quite clear that soom wigoners want a SL like a premier League where Chelsea buy whatever and whoever. Clubs will die if the cap vanishes but off course that's my opinion .

that im afraid comes part and parcel off being the club who did monopolise the league . look i have nowt against wigeon fans on this board and at the jjb i find them to be some of the most knowledgeable , friendly welcoming fans in the whole SL the way our the club still gets 15k plus is amazing i just don't think especially with the addition of franchise that we could operate the sport in the same shambolic way as the 80s and 90s

people are not "numptys" for having a difference of opinion to myself with regards to the salary cap. people are numptys for this "if it aint wakey, i aint bothered attitude". how can you be so wrapped up in your own team that you fail to notice the the sport your team plays is suffering and laugh it off??? i really dont get it, truely.

Believe it or not that really wouldn't bother me and i can't see why it would bother anyone else other than jealousy because they know their clubs could never be the top club. If Wigan wanted to go back to a policy of promoting the best young players and buying the best talent around then I can see no problem with it as at least we will be trying to be the best club in the world rather than the Wakey attitude of just wanting a good cup run and making the playoffs.

Teams are punished for wanting to achieve?

Got a fair few British lads in the team that would not be given the chance at other teams.

People say they want to see the young British lads given a chance and that is what Wakey are doing.

Leeds and Saints are the only 2 teams capable of winning anything this year as it stands massive step forward!!!

Nobody is saying abolish the cap but why not just make things up to suit your stance?

no for cheating

19 of Wakefileds 1st team squad are English and 9 are home grown Academy products.

Now that may not be anything unusual but neither is it a statistic to be ashamed or made ridicule of.

In the six fixtures so far:
Vs Leeds 11 English Players
Vs Salford 11 English Players
Vs Wigan 11 English Players
Vs Hull KR 13 English Players
Vs Catalan 12 English Players
Vs Warrington 12 English Players

and thats with Moore, Rooney, Brough, Sculthorpe, Murphy, Grix & George unavailable for most of those games.


We'll see in the next few months who is in the better position regards a stadium!

The reason we monoplised the leauge though was due to short sightedness from the other clubs.

Wigan was not the richest club in the comp or the most successfull when we turned pro. The four directors only put in 50k each, which even back in the 80's wasnt a massive amount.

We were successfull because we took a chance at full time and it worked. It could easily have seen us bankrupt (which ironically it nearly did anyway). A chance that other clubs did not take for nearly a decade. And to listen to some narrow minded fans, this to was Wigans fault not their own clubs.

I dont want to come accross as thinking the whole league is against us as i dont believe that it is but, untill every club starts doing what is right for the comp as a whole we sill continue to suffer. I have critised the previous administrations selection policy as much as anyone.

We need as a sport to change with the times, something historically we do not do very well. Mo was potentially the most hated man in Rugby League, however without him the game would have died a death as soon as union turned pro.

We as a sport need revolution, not evolution. We need to make the sport better, not more competitive.

Sorry if that seems a little of a rant but loosing players to the other code, cannot be good for the game, even if those players are seen as not good enough past it or never will be's at the end of the day they are potential english squad players who will in the short term be replaced by overseas players, which further weakens our national side!

Surly this is wrong i mean this would indicate that we as a club are taking massive strides.

Well i hope its correct, as it is about time more clubs produced players from their academy! You should be commended in that number.

No im not taking the pi$$

I've got no problem with Wigans success in the 80s, if it did any harm and I'm not convinced it did, then it was massively outweighed by the positives it brought.

I do however have an issue with fans who pas judgement on other clubs from their ivory towers.

Lets face it timing plays a huge roll in who prospers and who does'nt and if Super League had happened in the late 70's Wigan would'nt have been in it.

You got out of the Central Park thanks largely to a benefactor and good luck to you, I'm glad it happened for you when it did. It could just as easily have not happened and the you would most likely be in the situation that Trinity are in.

If or when we get our new stadium I hope to god that Wakefield fans will be less judgemental of other clubs who are still struggling to improve their stadia.

Some people have little or no humility and short memories!

Thats not particularly aimed at you Sharpy_4a

Couldnt agree more!

We were very lucky to be were we where and i for one wouldnt swap all those good times for the bad that have followed.

And i do hope wakefield and other teams get a new stadium as it further enhances our credibilty as a sport seeing new stadia. (i wish we could have one of our own!)

I do type that with a tinge of sadness though as for once all the old stadia have gone, i for one will miss trips to places like Knowsley road, as much as i do trips to wilderspool. There is something good about going to grounds where you cant see properly, but the atmosphere is very often great!

Smith isn't really that good. He seems to play well in the big matches, which is obviously a good think but I don't think he's a particularly amazing talent.

I do hate it when clubs or fans start calling each others clubs when the issue is a much wider rugby one.

I sadly heard it all on there though and it depresses me somewhat to see attitudes like that.

We had "the cap was designed to ensure junior development" when in fact it had the opposite effect due to Aussie imports being cheaper down to the exchange rate.

I think it is fantastic that Wakefield have changed from a team dependant on overseas players to one reliant on British talent, although i am assuming the 9 Accademy products includes Brough, Blaymire and Southernwood which is not stricktly true.

It has nothing to do with Wakefield or Wigan though it has to do with the rugby league as a whole.

They bang on about Leeds, although seem to forget there wage bill was significantly higher than Wigans in the "glory years", and seem to think its OK for Smith to go to union as Leeds will have 2 more just as good waiting for a chance....if only that were true!

We clearly need a cap, Wigan fans more than any should understand this but one that inhibits a clubs growth is simply idiotic and ensures that we will continue to lose our top junior talent and there is nothing we can do about it.

No not Southernwood but we'll have to agree to disagree on Brough and Blaymire who both spent 2 to three years in Wakefields Academy.

If were going to be pedantic then I'll have to throw in last year's dream team second row pairing of Gareth Ellis and Ben Westwood.

So it isnt just wigan who let academy players go then.

Just think how good teams would be if they didnt let some of their juniors go

Warrington spring to mind with Harris and Sculthorpe! Both went on to be men of steel!

We fought tooth and nail to keep both Ellis and Westwood, especially Ellis who actually turned down more money from Trinity in order to pursue his dream of winning trophies.

Gareth has since shown the same ruthless ambition that saw him leave Wakefield by leaving Leeds for the West Tigers in Australia.

Got told about this 5 weeks ago and i know what club he's going to

I think although they were in the system Wakefield did not make them, they had to move away from the club to realise there ability.

I agree about Ellis and Westwood both great players, and well done to the club for recognising and nurturing there talent, frustrating that they were taken or allowed to leave in Westwoods case.

Wigan are criticising for letting there players do the same when they are not reaching there potential in there own environment.