Sorry, but when you headbutt someone there's something in it.

2 from 6 today for Josh, only blip on our recent performances. Don't want to be too harsh on the lad because he's playing excellently apart from his goalkicking, but his success rate is unacceptable and could easily have cost us, thankfully it hasn't. I make it just over 50% success rate which when you think Pat is usually around the 80% mark is a massive hit on points for us.

He can kick but to say he lacks consistency would be a very big understatement.

Do the club have a kicking coach? Maybe it's time we brought one in and tap into his obvious potential.

I fail to see this potential. He doesn't look like a natural goal kicker.

We have Paul Deacon. Surely he has something to offer.

He does nail some tricky kicks which to me shows he can do it.

I think there is a huge difference between being a great kicker yourself and being able to coach a player to be one.

He's probably got something to offer in showing how he practised or cut the crowd out but can he break the skill down into its individual parts, analyze a kicking style and make little but fundamental tweaks to it?

I'd still get him in front of a kicking coach to try and improve the average. Not addressing the issue is uncharacteristically unprofessional for Wigan.

Some time he seems to strike them very well and some times he seems to get his technique all wrong and he seems to slice across it. Could well be a mental issue and he just doesn't like the extra pressure. I think Sam should kick against Widnes though.

As much as it hasn't cost us so far, it's an issue that definitely needs addressing. If Pat ends up out longer than anticipated we'd be going in to the back end of the season with clashes for top spot, CC semi and potential final and SL play-offs with a ~50% goalkicker, it will cost us eventually.

I meant to start a thread last week in relation to Hughes but never did. I thought he was the standout backrower in the Leeds game, and watching him again today I thought the same again. He's becoming more comfortable and confident the more game time he receives, and it's showing in his performances. Tall, athletic, strong, quick, he's got the whole package.

It was hardly a headbutt. Mountain out of a molehill.

Yeah but if Bailey had made a molehill then he would have gotten off scot free.

Dont you get it?

They are all out to get us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sure they don't give it a thought from one week to the next.

He's part of the coaching staff, surely he has some ability to coach.

Are you writing his disciplinary plea?

Do you know for a fact that they aren't?

As you say, the club is highly professional, so on that basis I'd expect there's a good probability they are.

I think with Josh he stuggles with composure when kicking, he doesn't seem to have a set routine when kicking goals. He seems okay from way out wide and bang in front, but, for some reason that middle 30 metres either side of the sticks he seems to struggle with. This should be priority, but, there is a major difference from kicking them in training and kicking them infront of 10,000+ people. He's still a young lad, not that i'm making excuses for him, but, he will only learn by getting more practice in.

It's amazing how everybodies an expert on kicking techniques. When Pat had a spell of missing kicks I'm sure I heard a few people mentioning that he should be dropped?
Anyway, how comes Warrington have numerous players who can not only kick goals but kick them straight through the middle of the sticks?
Also, watch the 1972 world cup game on youtube between GB and the aussies, I'm sure its 100% success rate and most of them are out wide. They seem to use the Mal Meniga toe bunger technique. Its also amusing to see Stevo with hair!!

They missed 1. Then again, it was the old make a dint in the ground with your heel and place the ball in it. No kicking tee, not even sand!

How do you know they arent? Just because Charnley is not improving doesnt mean they are not trying to do something about it.

I'm certain they are; they're too professional not to. It just hasn't had time to work...yet.

I don't. I was responding to a poster who implied there wasn't much point in getting him a kicking coach as he doesn't look a natural kicker. So if the club are, then great , if not then whether or not he has a future as a goal kicker they need to do it even if it only leads to a small improvement as any improvement is going to be worth it.

Perhaps if you had worded this "Not addressing the issue is uncharacteristically unprofessional for Wigan"
"Not addressing the issue [uwould be [/uuncharacteristically unprofessional for Wigan" people may have not assumed you were being your usually negative self...

A friend of mine watched the players train Orrell on Tuesday afternoon. Both the first team and U20's played a full-on match, the first team dressed in the Queensland Cowboys home kit, the U20's dressed in the Queensland Cowboys away kit. The U20's had been coached to play in the style of Catalans...so in effect the game was a mock "Wigan v Catalans" game, even down to the detail where Finch was shouting "Dureau" is mine...etc. This explains why they were wearing the kits (finch picture).

After the match, Josh spent twenty minutes with Harris and was knocking them over from in front of the posts and the touchline, he was struggling to kick the easier ones - 10/20 metres to the LHS/RHS side of the posts.

He was heard to say "I must just get nervous when it comes to the easier kicks that people expect me to convert, yet when it comes to the touchline ones, I feel more relaxed as I'm not expected to kick them".

Richards was light-training apparently, let's hope he's back soon.

It was the 1st time that id missed Catalan game for the fans that saw it on TV or that was present how many fans did we take looking at the photos looks like around 1000