You seem to allude to the quality of the spectacle on offer killing the sport. Look within and ask what your club is doing to improve the thrills and spills, and reword it to " The way clubs like Wigan are playing the game is ruining the sport".

The public of today are fickle and want instant entertainment and gratification. Get Wane and other playbook coaches to move with the times.

68k. For the first time in 10 years I was announced accurately and not with unoccupied seats counted.

You are symptomatic of the problem in the game and many of Wigans stay aways. You,are only happy if you win by 40 point margin. Wigans dominance from 20 years ago has gone. Or were those wide margin victories so fantastic to watch. The neutral didn't think so.

Thanks for the insult, however the reality is, it's not an individual, it's a high minority who act and copy your stance.

bet hes on double that

If Williams and Tomkins were playing for Castleford they would be sensational.
I wish that we had Powell as coach...or Chester even.

I absolutely agree that the coaching of the team is not conducive to having flair players as marquee signings.

Wane needs to go for me.

Little doubt for me Williams simply isnt ready for the pressure of being a marquee player,it singles him out mainly becuase of the cash hes earning,far too soon the lad is still learning the game he could be a great or also ran who knows.

His agent played the club like a fiddle and they paniced and offered him the full dowry instead of playing hard ball.

Still easy with hindsight.

The only time Wigan come alive is when Sam say's #### it and plays outwith the script (CC Semi-final . Wire last season). Everything about Wigan is so structured it's become to easy too read . George Williams is a very good player who can become a great player once he is old enough and has the balls to do a Sam and say #### it this isn't working lets play some rugby . At the moment there seems to be a fear to disobey and incur the wrath of the fuehrer.

Regards , EW

I wouldn't go calling Shaun wane on here, you will have the lynch mob after you. I think the Shaun wane fear factor has got a grip on some of our fans

Smith also won the Lance Todd for doing exactly the same (and also a MoM performance against NZ) - yet almost everyone calls him an average 7. He's obviously being provocative with his statement but you can't argue that Sneyd's main asset is his kicking game. Nothing wrong with that and he kicked us to death and his goal kicking is amazing (the one he kicked from pretty much on the touchline was fantastic). Some HB's are the complete package, some have a specific asset that can win games.

Another thing is people like to level that Wigan fans are arrogant but that's sport. If Hull go on to win 19 Challenge Cups and 8 in a row you can bet Hull fans will behave in the same way. It's not something in the water in Wigan that makes fans expect success - they saw unprecedented success and some of the greatest ever players play for their team. Leeds fans have a similar attitude because of their prolonged success. If Cas continue the way they're going they will too. With success comes arrogance and then if you take it away, plenty will spit their dummy out.

How many of those challenge cup wins were when Wigan could buy up all the best players an no other club could compete with what Wigan were offering? As great as it is you had a clear advantage over every other team that eventually bankrupted your club and led to selling your home

Take away those 8 in a row if it pleases you and we have still won more trophies than any other club.

look how many local lads we had, now look at the Leeds team? Did they buy them or were they local? Could say the same about Hull etc, its a myth.

and yet your fans desert you when you need them most!

the opposite, when they needed us the most was when we faced relegation and attendances rose quite a lot.

I disagree I think we're playing with a lack of structure at the moment. That's why we tend to look clueless for 70 minutes then come on strong at the end, and why Williams runs about like a balloon that's had its air let out.

We were far more structured under Madge and the early years with Wane. I've been looking back recently at some old games and some of the set plays we used to pull off were ridiculous, one in particular that stands out is Sam's second try and the play-off against Leeds in 2010. We need to get back to that if anything not become more unstructured.

Irrelevant to your original post which I presume you have given up on.

Wigan were the only fully professional club for 2 years before Leeds and Saints & Warrington followed. The other clubs followed when Sky came in with their money a couple of years s later. As others have said, even if you take away those 8 in a row, Wigan still have more challenge cups than anybody else! Get your coat son

It would appear that he's logged off for some strange reason......

Except he's a back to back finals mom. Something those 2 run of the mil losers could only dream of it. He's twice the player of Williams and a hundred times the player of sick note Tomkins

Regards

King James

I don't think the Wigan fans are arrogant I talked to plenty after the final and everyone I talked to excepted Hull where the better team and deserved the win there where talking points like all games but the general opinion was the right team won the match which was a great advertisement for the game so credit to both clubs on that, I think we will both lose this weekend for us we still have a great chance of the semi but for you it could be the end of your push to old Trafford good luck for the rest of the season

the key point here is that these 2 players are our Marquee signings, but are playing more like Wigan Market signings (pinched that off FB).
why is this? for me, Sam is making the most effort at least from what I can see of late. is Williams injured perhaps?
no matter the reason, wigan seem to have a string of players re-signing or signing new contracts and then going off the boil completely. i'm quite disappointed with Williams recently but you then have to consider his age and the responsibility he has been given whether he likes it or not. however that leads back to how the team is being coached if you ask me.
no more jobs for boys I say. Wane has been brilliant for us, but perhaps he has got us as far as he can and some new faces in the dugout might freshen things up. I cant see it happening any other way.

Give the guy a break. He's playing behind one of the worst Wigan packs in decades. Will be interesting to see what he does in the World Cup (if he gets a start) behind a decent pack and a coach who has a bit more to his game than a desire to win ugly. I'm assuming IL was being held to ransom slightly and he would have definitely gone to the NRL if he hadn't signed a new contract. And the fans still wouldn't have been happy! You just can't win.

How many Marquee players in the Cas team?

Jake Trueman is our academy marquee signing.

I think we have confused what a marquee is, Lenegan seems to have taken the view that our "marquee" is a Big Top and he needed to fill it with 17 clowns, lets get back to the old entrance of the gladiators entrance music it would be more apt.