The question then though is what happens when Green, Smith or McIlorum get injured in a big game. You either get Lockers at 6 (where he's proven himself poor time and time again) or Lockers at 9 with Logan/Powell backing up, so you ask them to come into a big game with little experience, without the usual momentum that McIlorum creates and against hard opposition in a high pressure game. Recipe for disaster, especially when they don't even have reserves games to play in the meantime.

I say it's better to keep playing them for now so they're as prepared as possible come the business end of the year, that's when it counts after all. Then if neither looks good have a look at who's available for next year. Personally I'd like to see Powell come off the bench at 7 and Smith go to 9, think that could really work well.

Im struggling to find an arrogant or ignorant post in this thread if im honest, can you enlighten us all?

Not an individual post..... just the fact that you haven't credited Hull at all for the way we defended, the fast paced attack and the fact that we scored 20 points past a very good Wigan side. ( the fact I'm saying this is a very big compliment to Wigan anyway haha). You're Team is the best team in the league but a little modesty and humbleness wouldn't go a-miss, you're starting to sound like Leeds fans!

Im sure there's plenty Wigan fans on other threads crediting Hull for there display last night. However, this is a Wigan forum, discussing Wigan's performance. Personally I think Hull are a top 4 side when Holdsworth comes back.

I actually posted on your board saying well done and was pleased you gave us a game unlike your neighbours. So have other fans. This is the Wigan forum to discuss things about Wigan.

Very fair point.... and on that note I bid you farewell!

I thought we did well against 14 men

. Tbh it was the best we have played all season which may have been the reason why you think you wasnt at your best last night (sometimes you can only be as good as the other team let you ) and hopefull with Gaz Ellis and Holdsworth back we can mount a challenge for Old Trafford .
Good luck for the rest of the season guys

Walking back last night I was listening to countless Hull fans celebrating because they scored more than 6 and let in less than 80 as well as saying 'at least rovers have got Leeds this weekend, come on Leeds'.

I get the rivalry, I understand it feels good to be better than them, but when will Hull fans finally understand that the competition is not cross city, it's against all the other teams!

This is something I hear time and again, when something happens to one of the teams they justify it by pointing out something worse that the others went through.

Perhaps if you had to spend so much time in the company of family, neighbours or work colleagues who support the enemy you would understand.

They rightly had plenty to say after dominating us on Good Friday but your demolition of them on Easter Monday helped us get our own back.

They were forecasting a similar result for us so the fact we competed and only lost on kicks feels like a victory.

Get Ellis, Holdsworth and Tickle in our team and we look very competitive.

Anyway. Great game and good luck for the rest of the season. Not that you need it.

Being the only Wigan fan in my family, with everyone else supporting st helens I know exactly what it's like spending time with the enemy.

Neither myself, or the st supporters see success as finishing above the other! (although as a general rule if you finish above saints or Wigan you are going to be in the mix up for honours).

Ask em how the "Envy-o-meter" is doing these days...

Can't get a word in they just keep talking about injuries! Don't even realise we have just as many we are just dealing with it better!

They do have a lot to be fair... Can't believe i said that!!!

Think they're envying London at the moment...

Personally I always preferred Carberry to Logan.

thats why the hull derby is the only true derby!!

the rivalry between fc and kr is like no other!

as for the game, dissapointing to read some comments on here saying that wigan played poor and thats why the score was close! talk about arrogance! maybe hull fc didnt let wigan walk all over them like other teams and lay down and die, the team we had out i was fearing a hammering, yet we more than matched a virtually full strength wigan team, with a bit more luck we could have won the game. was told by my uncle that wigan fans are bad losers yet even worse winners, seen some of that on this topic as if wigan dont rack up a cricket score its because wigan played poorly!

i dont know what it is with the hull fans trying to tell every man and he's dog that the hull derby is the best when for the past 20 years the wigan and saints one has been miles better than hulls.

It sounded like hull played a good game and got there selves up for it, shame you don't do it every week but there is no denying that wigan's defense is a lot better than that and we never drop as much ball as we did last night, its nothing to do with racking up a big score if we didn't drop off as many tackles and dropped so much ball then we wouldn't have played badly regardless of the scoreline.

Some serious attention seeking from hull fc after the game as if every one should say well done you gave us a game unlike hull kr, is that what you want to hear?

I'm sure it wasnt your intention but imo thats a bit respectful to two of the best youngsters in the competition. Big claim I know but give him two years and Tom Lineham will be the best winger in the league.

Not my intention at all! The fact that Wane felt the need to pull Thornley off with 15 minutes to go shows how well the two of them played.
I think that given the right guidance Crooks and Lineham could go far. Long way to go yet and I'd hate to see them go the same way as other 'big things' like our very own Shaun Ainscough!

Thought the game was a credit to rugby league and should of been on sky.. (But If Was No Doubt We (FC) Would Of Been Battered)

There were a few dubious decisions for both sides but overall a great game. thought you did play poor but also thought we got into your faces and didn't let you play to your potential.
However, Playing poor and still winning is a good sign. See you again at the DW

Some good honesty from Silverwood on Twitter

He is lying, just watched the highlights, Wigan's first try comes from a forward pass, Horne pass to Crooks is Ok.

Though Charnleys looked Ok from the camera angle.

Some you win , some you lose and I am sure that Hull got a couple of decisions our way, just maybe we didn't take advantage.

Both teams scored some great trys.

Just recently on twitter he said he got our first try wrong and Hulls second wrong so I guess it's swings and roundabouts.

Buddy, i don't know who you are trying to kid here. I live in hull, know many fans of both clubs, have been to the games, and they do not have a single thing over Wigan v Saints.

Been to Hull City games that entertain me more sometimes. it maybe the fact that only about 10% of the ground at the KC ever bothers to support the team (east stand towards the away supporters), the rest of the people are just there to shout abuse at the ref and call forward passes almost as much a St Helens.

Whilst we are talking about debatable try's i have to bring up hulls 1st. Whiting runs right at Green, Knocks him back a yard or so, FC player runs right through that gap into green who is now behind the rest of his line and the line has been broken.

It was a good offload for the try, but if whiting does not knock Green behind the rest of the Wigan line i am sure that try would not have been scored off that play. Its only a yard or so but it gives the FC player a target to get through the initial defensive line.

Its one of those that nobody knows the exact rule about. It certainly contributed to the try.