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| Quote ="Odemwingie"
Bring them on away in 2 weeks time, lets get everyone there and lets HAVE IT!'"
I honestly think we may struggle next week but if we do get through it I hope and pray we play Leeds. I would want to win that game more then any other game I can remember in an awful long time and we are more then capable of doing it.
Getting there could prove tricky though.
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| I think (and hope) that a lot of the negative comments about McGuire are due to post match anger and are heat of the moment.
I'm surprised by the lack of professionalism by the Leeds set up. Apparently, McClennan gobbed back at some Wigan fans outside of the ground and then there was all the on field antics from Lauitiiti, Sinfield et al. It's a sad state of affairs when a team who have had such success in recent years have to resort to cheap, unprofessional behaviour.
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| Quote ="Wellsy"McGuire is the biggest cheat in the game. He cost us the Challenge Cup QF with his blatent cheating, and now he's cost us a home SF in the Prem trophy with blatent, blatent cheating.
He got injured because he cheated. I hope he fit enough to play RL again on the 3rd October.'"
*COUGH*Sam Tomkins*COUGH*
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| We lost it ourselves, shi*te kicking game when Deacs went off, stupid penalties, boring attack etc.
Theres loads of ifs and buts.
Ref was awful...for both teams, so it didn't really affect the game so much.
the only thing i'll 'moan' about is i think we could have scored at the end there had Maguire not 'cheated' as we'll put it, you can't justify that by saying any player would have done it, yes they would, but it's still illegal. I'm not happy he got injured, but nor to i feel sorry for him.
Leeds had a poor first 20 minutes or so then they showed up and blew us away really, Greg Eastwood was awesome as was Rob Burrow.
Whilst it would have been an exciting game, discipline was poor form both sides, J Tomkins showed himself up(as did Sam imo, thoughi need to watch those again) and Leeds players gobbing off.
Also people saying Richars bottled it, they were not easy kicks by any stretch of the imagination, the last one was near impossible. It may be harder but if we want to get to old trafford and are good enough then we will, we've already over achieved this year'.
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| Quote ="Wellsy"McGuire is the biggest cheat in the game. He cost us the Challenge Cup QF with his blatent cheating, and now he's cost us a home SF in the Prem trophy with blatent, blatent cheating.
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Does no one in Wigan go to school any more ?
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| Quote ="vernon"BLATANT
Does no one in Wigan go to school any more ?'"
There's some interesting irony in your post there, i'll leave you to study grammar and determine what it is. And before you try any smart comebacks, i'm not the one trying to imply a lack of education, my own spelling and grammar are not particularly good, hence I wouldn't have normally pulled somebody up on it.
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| Quote ="vernon"BLATANT
Does no one in Wigan go to school any more ?'"
Are you taking the Michael?
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| Quote ="lionarmour87"youve also cheated the salary cap on a record number of occasions'"
That was Saints, but never mind.
(Bradford and Wigan are equal on 4 breaches, including Wigan's "spirit of the cap", Saints have at least 5, suspected 6)
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| Quote ="MrMeat&PotatoPie"Call me sour grapes all you like... but we were robbed.
Richards slowed down to throw the pass to Carmont and he was taken out
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Pot calling the kettle black.
What about tomkins cheating to win penalties?
You bottled it.
Deal with it.
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"1. I hope his career is over.'"
I already knew you were an idiot after your pathetic "Look at Wigan" thread on our board earlier in the season but you have just elevated yourself to Ewwenorfolk level. Your a disgrace to Wigan and the rest of your fans.
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"1. I hope his career is over.
2. Why didn't we get the extra 10m? Or even 20?
3. What does a Leeds player have to do to even get 10mins in the bin against us.
4. Bring them on away in 2 weeks time, lets get everyone there and lets HAVE IT!'"
You don't really hope that, do you?
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| Quote ="lothlorian"its gamemanship in the ptb area. burrow was squirming all over throwing himself on the floor trying to milk the penalty. sam got a couple, but so did leeds. the pull back on carmont at the time of the game was a pure cheat. but ok, you justify it. shame about mcguire though eh!!!!'"
That's the difference. Gamesmanship goes on all the time. Players dropping the ball an getting penalties for having the ball stolen etc. It goes on all the time. Taking players out is not gamesmanship and is pure cheating.
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| Quote ="Wandering Warrior"It was a great game and somebody had to lose unfortunatley that was us
Its not the end of the world yet though and we have another chance next week. Anybody would of held Carmont back in the same situation and i would of been fuming if one of our players didnt do the same if it happened to us
TBH i think some people are just looking for someone else to blame, once they have calmed down they will realise that we blew it and Leeds held their nerve end of.'"
Most sensible in the whole thread that one. What McGuire did any player on either side would have done. Simple as. Best of luck next week.
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| Quote ="DaveO"That's the difference. Gamesmanship goes on all the time. Players dropping the ball an getting penalties for having the ball stolen etc. It goes on all the time. Taking players out is not gamesmanship and is pure cheating.
Dave'"
Spot on.
It was a cynical, calculated act of cheating, and he got exactly what he wanted out of it.
No place for it in the game.
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| Quote ="Steve Ella's Beard"There's some interesting irony in your post there, i'll leave you to study grammar and determine what it is. And before you try any smart comebacks, i'm not the one trying to imply a lack of education, my own spelling and grammar are not particularly good, hence I wouldn't have normally pulled somebody up on it.'"
I was trying to affect a Wigan inflection, obviously didn't work too well. Your second sentence is correct, I see a couple of errors - I'll leave you to work them out.
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| Quote ="Guerrier"Spot on.
It was a cynical, calculated act of cheating, and he got exactly what he wanted out of it.
No place for it in the game.'"
So if it was the other around, you would rather your team not of cheated and let Leeds score, some how i think not
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| Quote ="Who are ya!!"So if it was the other around, you would rather your team not of cheated and let Leeds score, some how i think not
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In the heat of a playoff, I'd probably want my defender to prevent a try, but that doesn't make it right.
There can be no question at all as to whether McGuire cheated or not, so let's not play hypotheticals to try and hide behind it.
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| Quote ="Guerrier"In the heat of a playoff, I'd probably want my defender to prevent a try, but that doesn't make it right.
There can be no question at all as to whether McGuire cheated or not, so let's not play hypotheticals to try and hide behind it.'"
So why are Wigan fans moaning about it so much, like you said you would want your player to do the same so whats with all the moaning.
Of course it wasn't right, but if that was against my team i would not be bothered in the slightest if they had done it.
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| What macguire did was cheating and should of been red and a one game ban imo. I dont blame him one bit, any player would of taken a one game ban to help his side through, cheating or not.
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| Quote ="DaveO"That's the difference. Gamesmanship goes on all the time. Players dropping the ball an getting penalties for having the ball stolen etc. It goes on all the time. Taking players out is not gamesmanship and is pure cheating.
Dave'"
I'm no fan of leeds or cheating but you should really as a mod at least have a private pm with Odemwingie for:
Quote Odemwingie wrote:1. I hope his career is over'"
I don't think that sort of sentiment should have any place on these forums, do you?
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| Wigan lambasting another team for 'cheating'. Pot calling kettle black.
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"1. I hope his career is over.
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You really are a disgusting little pr!ck arnt you. I have teams i dislike, pantomine villians (bailey, long, o'loughlin, etc etc) but i would never wish anybody's career over. The guy was doing what 99% of SL players would have done, and that is trying to win the game. Yes it was cheating, yes it was wrong but for feck sake to wish that a guy's career be finished get a grip!!!!
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| Quote ="Wandering Warrior"What macguire did was cheating and should of been red and a one game ban imo. I dont blame him one bit, any player would of taken a one game ban to help his side through, cheating or not.'"
it was a taking a player off the ball in the chase, it something that maybe happens 100 times a season, it happened twice yesterday against crusaders, Hudds were punished twice for it. But we arent hearing these same accusations levelled at them because it wasnt the last minute.
Its a penalty, thats whats in the rules, it wasnt violent, it wasnt a professional foul, remove the incident from the situation and it really is a nothing incident that if it happens in the first minute rather than the last nobody mentions.
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| So that's Saints, Wire and Cas fans all pointing out the idiocy of this topic.
Hopefully tomorrow morning when the dust has settled you can take a look at this game as a fantastic showpiece for rugby league that Leeds won by the skin of their teeth.
The 'cheating' was penalised...move on. If Richards had landed the kick we wouldn't be hearing all this.
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