Of course i'd take the GF win over anything as like you say we are then the champions.

BUT the challenge cup means absolutely nothing to me.

If we win the CC we get a nice day out at Wembley that’s it and get a trophy we’ve won more times than many of us have had hot dinners.

Had a discussion with a few Leeds fans the other week who claimed that the only competition they wanted to win was the Challenge Cup and that for the Rhinos it is and always has been the Holy Grail. My argument was that it's not a fair comp as the salary cap isn't the same for non-Super League teams and someone could get to the semi's without facing a real challenge, therefore it is a poor competition and not "The FA Cup of Rugby" as they claimed!

In truth i'd say the league leaders shield is the best of them all as if you think about it, you have to play everyone home and away and overcome injuries, poor decisions etc along the way, to then be top of the pile come the end is the greatest achievement. As good as the playoffs are I think they can be effected by a bad call, injuries, suspensions etc which can have a massive impact on a team's progress. They have no real bearing on who is the best team, it's just who can put together 3 or 4 wins over the course of a month. I know that the one to win is the playoff final but I genuinely don't think it is a fair way to crown a champion side.

I also agree with the earlier comment that we shouldn't get carried away just yet, there is a very very long way to go!!!

16 team league. No play offs. No Magic Weekend. Play each team home and away. League winners are champions. Two teams relegated.

Clean sweep - that's £10 the OP won't be seeing again. It's already failed, or do you mean a clean sweep of not losing? It can't be winning.

If you read the OP he means winning the 3 available trophies not winning every game

i just cannot wait to get the numbers back, taking into consideration the players we are currently missing i would say we already have improved on last season.

No you are wrong.


The way the competition is structured means that the hub cap means nothing.

Therefore teams prepare themselves for elimination playoffs at the end of the season. Their whole season is geared up towards maximising their chances in this.

Now you may argue that coming top of the regular season deserves more kudos than it gets, and that's a different line of argument.

However, as it stands, the hubcab really does mean nothing.

WRONG

It means you are the most consistent side over the course of the regular rounds which means a hell of a lot more than winning 5 games like you do with the cup.

I just do not understand why people rave about the CC? Half the games are played against semi pro’s and most of the time you only really play one or possibly two big teams.


1-GF
2-HUB CAP


3-CC

er no not "WRONG".



Listen, these are the rules of the competition laid out before a ball is kicked in anger.

You may not agree with them but given they are there, every team must play within them.

You may think that the hub cap is worthwhile but as far as the SL competition is concerned it really does mean nothing other than conveying an (ever so slight) advantage to the team that wins it in the playoffs.

If you win the clean sweep i'll donate £50 to the Mike Gregory charity, won't happen.

Brave words - I think there is a very real chance of it happening

I don't say that as I am a Wigan fan either.

There is a depth and resilience to our side this year that was not there previously.

all 3, telling you won't happen.

I'm not saying that with the P&B specs either, just can't see it.

Challenge Cup Final - biggest attendance in Rugby, shown on National Domestic TV and a historic cup to go with it?

I think it means more than some people make out. 85,000+ cheering on their team (or the team they've decided to back for the day) can't be wrong.

Union can only dream of attendances like that.

me neither

Exactly. It's an historic trophy that means a lot to a great number of people and we shouldn't try and de-value it just because it is a knockout cup competition and anything can happen.

I think all 3 trophies should be valued. What I find annoying is that finishing top after 27 rounds, which is the biggest achievement any team any have is considered less than winning 5 games (usually not all Superleague teams) in a knock out comp. Just because its historic and ends with a big crowd, doesn't make it a bigger achievement.

Id love to win all 3 but think it is very difficult and it would take a special team to do so.

i wonder why, you sour sour people.

The crowds before the final would suggest it had. Most Wigan fans would love to get to Wembley (just like most fans of every club), doesn't make anyone sour just because some value the league higher. Regardless of what you think, finishing top after 27 rounds is alot harder than a 5 game knock out comp.

A GF and CC win is almost impossible/an incredible achievement in the current situation with more than just two teams as was very recently.

As for the odds, I go back and slap the bookie.

Considering it was Maguires first season last year, we came within 83 minutes of the final last year and with the view of most Wigan fans, we have a better squad this year. It's also 12/1 for a reason and I wouldn't be surprised if it's been cut since Friday.

No we didn't, we lost in the quarter final. Hardly coming close is it? 12/1 is shocking odds for all 3 and I wouldn't even bother.

Stop talking sense.


To win both those would take a lot of doing and a lot of luck regarding injuries and getting the right draw.
Can it be done, yes but it will be difficult.

As far as Wigan are concerned I wouldn't mind a trip to Wembley, though accept that the league leaders and Superleague is more difficult to win.

Wonder what odds we'd get now?

My opinion that whoever tops the league are worthy on the champions tag and i will always stand by that as you were last season the playoffs imo are just a money making showcase. Well done on yesterdays win was a master class show from your team (from a wire fan)

Funny he should say that with what was said yesterday.

Take it this scumbag has now been given life ban until he gets a new login?