think that goes without saying. maybe noble doesn't think they're good enough.

Personally, I think that's what'll happen. If it does, I don't think I'd be the only one venting my anger on here/at the club.

Personally I won't be spending any further money on away trips or cup ties as long as we have 9 imports in the starting 13 (I am a season ticket holder). I will gladly follow the team regardless of results if the number comes down.

Fair enough. Your choice (Cat.3 fan

) but I don't think your being reasonable.

Just a word of caution.

None of the teams those players played for last season made the playoffs and Myler was in Div 1.

I'm hoping that Tomkins gets some games this season, I'm expecting he will. Mossop I think wull be loaned out.

The likes of Farrell, Thornley etc were only at U18 level last year so unless we absolutely have to through injuries or maybe a 2nd Division cup team I don't think they'll play.

As I said if there are too many injuries this Friday I would give Ainscough a game.

Thornley and Farrell IMO aren't yet ready for SL, a season or two further down the line I reckon they will be.

If Riddell is out next game I'd expect Sam Tomkins to come off the bench, if Phelps is injured I'd expect to see Ainscough start, anything else and Noble will be wasting our young talent big time.

Hull last Friday played Paul King, Thakray & Manu.
What state do you think Sam Tomkins would be in today if he'd been played with those three facing him?
Get real, its tough out there.
Forwards aren't 5'8" anymore they're 6'2" plus and aggresive with it.
They will pick the right games for Sam and Cas at home is one.
More likely though is he will get his chance due to injuries.

Stop talking sense.

So do Cas only have 5'8" forwards then?

and those three didnt play that well. Dowes, Cusack and Radford were hitting very hard on Friday!

Personally I think the lad should be on the bench whether its 6ft 2 forwards or whatever. Shaun Edwards for example was put in the first team at 17. Ok they game may have got tougher but so what.

5 tries on debut has never been done by a Wigan player and I doubt anyone has got an hatrick in 12 minutes either. Fair enough it was Whitehaven but now Barrett is gone he deserves a chance.

Rob Burrow was a Leeds regular at 20 (albeit off the bench with 19 of his 24 appearances in 2002). Danny McGuire did similar at 21 in 2003. So it's the right time to get him on the bench in my view.

Need to do something because this season so far our bench is doing nothing but giving us more of the same!

Absolute nonsense.

Wakefield at home was the right game if ever there was one.

As for the size of the forwards at Hull, are you telling me that Sargent, Faumuina and Feather are lightweights? Maybe the Cas game isn't a good one.

Best to wait for the Quins game... ..but hang on, what about Temata, LMS, Ward etc. Not Quins then.

Maybe against the Bulls because Solomona, Lynch and Burgess won't target him... ahhh, not the Bulls then.

Perhaps the Leeds game.... ...perhaps not.

The Salford game then, they'll be easy with the likes of Stapleton, Leuluai and Cashmere. Oh dear!

Second thoughts, lets not play him at all, lets wrap him up in cotton wool and keep him in the Reserves until he's 23/24 and if he's no bigger lets fire him off.

The forwards are going to be 6'2" and 16 stone plus in any SL game Sam plays.

If he isn't physically up to the job now, he probably never will be. Edwards, Horne, Burrow, Briers etc. Not a pick on any of them until they were a few years older than Sam is now and all playing top flight at 20.

Are you suggesting that he should only play if he puts 5 kilos on? Or if the other team only has a small pack? Having said that, what if they have a big stand off or centre? Or maybe somebody like Tupou on the wing? Second thoughts, lets not play him at all.

Sam Tomkins has been targeted in every game he has played in for years. He is used to it.

The only way we'll ever find out if Sam is up to the job is for him to play and at this time we have a team that is in desperate need of a stand-off. He should be played or loaned out.

Lenagan needs to get Noble into his office for a chat and ask him if the likes of Tomkins and Ainscough are in his first team plans at all. If they aren't and he'd rather shift the side around by playing say Bailey at centre or Lockers at 6 we may aswell let them both go out on a season long loan with the option of bringing them back at 24hrs notice because playing in our reserves will do them no good.

This could be a big weekend for both the lads i mentioned as if we are missing players through injury they'll get to see just where they stand.

Well Said

I am quite pleased Phelps, Bailey, Riddell picked up injuries, hope they dont play this week to give Sam Tomkins, Mossop and Ainscough a game to see gow they fare, if any of them rip it up I would keep them in next week too.

I can't see Mossop playing we already have Hock, O'Louglin, Hansen and Joel Tomkins.

utter nonsense
Castlefords forwards are no smaller than Hulls.

You have basically written off his entire career in one paragraph

If anything Wakey had the smallest pack of the season due to injuries we should have played him then if that was the case. If eh is too small get him sent to longys then

would that be to buy the "stuff" from over the counter or under it???

How old was Edwards?? he was old enough and good enough.

It's not like Sam's played in the u10's then been wrapped in cotton wool is it.

PLAY HIM!!!

None, buy it from a stables, Sam will be neighing but he will be 16 stone.

I think it comes down to tactics - Noble likes his team to play in a certain way and if players don't fit into that system then they won't get much of a look in. The only way this will change is if the squad picks up injuries.

Personally I owuld like to see Ainscough at least get a chance against Cas and maybe Sam on the bench - then when Tommy goes to 9 (assuming Riddel is injured and McIlorum starts at 9) Sam can slot into the halves. At least get Sam on the bench in some games otherwise he may as well leave.

I'm not writing Sam Tomkins career off at all as you full well.
He isn't ready to be promoted to the first team and do 25 rounds of SL.
IL has said games will be chosen to bring him through and that's what they'll do and that's the point I was making.
As for Hull, Noble said after the match we finished with 11 fit men.
That's the damage a hard and aggressive team can do.
Cas, Salford and Celtic are not as hard or aggressive as Hull.

I think there in lies the major problem, Noble has a very simple game plan that he will not or cannot change. Rather than coaching the players he has to bring out the best in them, to me he seems to be coaching the style of play regardless of the fact he has the players in the team or not to make it successfull.

Wakefield the first game of the season against a Wakefield side littered with injury and inexperienced players was the PERFECT game to use Tomkins off the bench, and may well have seen step up to the plate and prove himseld worthy of a spot against Hull, at which point as a young player he has to earn the right by playing well to play against Cas. If a young player has a poor game/looks out of there depth they can expect a time in the reserves waiting for another chance, but the fact that some of our lads are getting no chance at all cannot be good for there development and us as a club.