I have to agree with SP here. The utter condescending nature of some of those who attended and aren’t sharing what actually was said (and agreeing not to!?!??) is contemptuous at worst and elitism at best.

I couldn’t attend because of childcare. Why should that mean I don’t also get equal opportunity to see, hear and read what is/has been said? The whole “we’ll tell you but don’t tell anyone else as they won’t understand” is a little childish.

Bar the privileged 120 who attended the rest of us have little to no idea what’s going on, little to no idea how we’re going to fix it and little to no idea about the clubs direction. I honestly feel like we’re just being laughed at and to see some tweets and posts actually defending the stance whilst barely touching what was said is mind blowing.

That’s not a dig at you Jukesays, albeit it’s hard not to take it as one, as it shouldn’t be down to you to say what was said but I hope you can sense our frustration. The people it’s down to is the club and the silence is once again deafening which is somewhat ironic given one tweet said IFL and Rads wanted to improve communications.

The event was filmed so I fully expect it to be released in due course

The Burgess thing was less than 1% of what was talked about
Did anyone question, no, but they had the chance to
I didn't question because I know he was injured/had a hip condition when he signed, but as I said context is a wonderful thing.
What they actually said was that he came in for pre season overweight etc, they worked him in his words as hard, if not the hardest in pre season that he's ever had.
They did say that started the problem, I interpreted that as they aggravated the existing injury to a point that pushed him over the edge so to speak. Which they said they handled badly.

As I have said numerous times, I sit in the fence about their reasons for not broadcasting it.

If I'm honest, the absolute overriding thing I took away from last night was the Business side of things. If I were to throw a number rout I would say 75% of the evening/presentation was about those issues. So in the grand scheme of things the evening listening to a 1% Burgess explanation , 1% Hardaker, 1% Bateman, 1% Williams 1% Edwards etc doesn't bother me.
That may make me niaive, that may make me unusual as I suspect most people are interested in the playing side of things only (in the main) but I was, and most people who know me know i run a couple of amateur sporting organisations, very interested in the off the field issues that have been faced I the last 20 months or so.

Putting 2 replies into 1 about the Edwards thing, the only real thing that was said was that Rads defended IL about the situation Only on the subject of Edwards claims in the press etc. and that he would categorically refute some of those claims as he was involved in situations that contradict Edwards reporting of events.he didn't defend him on the non contract situation etc, he didn't say IL had got everything right, he just gave a couple of example of where one side of the story painting Wigan/IL in a bad light wasn't true as he was involved etc.
Again, context

Its very difficult to reflect context, very difficult to sum up 2hrs of information in quick replies. But I can only say that of the 10 or so that i was with or around me, and then I spoke to a group of lads (Itchys sons included) none were scathing and all seemed understanding of the issues faced in the last 2 years or so.
That doesn't mean they agreed with everything, I dont agree with everything, both IL and Rads admitted mistakes they and the club had made.

I think some of the language used towards people who attended is absolutely awful.
In about 2 mins I'm going to reply to 100% warrior about his reflections on elitism, contemptuous, and the next bit which if I am honest is totally unnecessary with one word. Wow

It was the clubs decision not to broadcast live, I can't say it any more than I have, I see both sides of the argument.
To be honest, as per most of these fans forums the over riding feeling I come away with is why bother, they're dammed if the do, dammed if they don't.

I will categorically tell people that there were dozens of people there last night who are quite simply lads/ladies who go watching rugby. They're not part of some secret club that does IL and Rads bidding for them etc.
For them to be labelled as complicit in a cover up, whitewash etc and to be linked to some of those words that 100% warrior has used is terrible in my opinion.

Anyway
As I've said previously I found it very enlightening on multiple fronts, and I know on the things that I was interested in that lies were not told, as I explained to someone I know a few people who were involved in certain situations and still are and they told me months and months ago things that IL/Rads said last night. They didn't say very thing and I wouldn't expect them too especially whole certain situations are still delicate.

I've removed most of the quote when in fact it was only 1 paragraph I have a real issue with, but as I said in my main reply

Wow

So it’s Wigan’s fault they caused/aggravated Burgess hip . Surely Wigan wouldn’t have had to work him so hard if he hadn’t turned up so over weight and out of condition

As a season ticket holder and Wigan TV subscriber, but I don’t live in Wigan so no way I was going to the shop at 10am then having to come back for the Leeds game in the evening.

I feel let down, I’m obsessed with the club and would love to know exactly what got said but not got the opportunity.

Frustrating.

Did you pop in the shop before the Leeds game and try to get a ticket?

Thanks for this.

Context is a very important word which is why I said several times if things that were being reported were accurate.

As I’ve said a number of times I’m a big fan of IFL and will always be grateful for what he has done for the club.

I guess the danger is always how it is reported when it is in such a closed environment, and especially when us as “fans” generally look towards the headlines of player movement and performance etc. In truth I like you am more interested in the business model and issues throughout the last few years but I guess at best we would have to wait for that.

Tickets were still available the day after, so I suppose you could have gone to the shop before the game and asked if there were any left?
I get the point that they may have already gone so driving over at 8am to pick them up would have been a problem, but there were tickets left when you did come later?

I saw approx 10 empty seats, but to be fair there were a couple stood up at the back, so even people who went for tickets didn't all turn up.

I can imagine if they let people ring up, order online etc from all over the place there may have been more cry offs etc.

For me, the club have dropped the ball on this one.

It isn't your place to report back and the club should have streamed it live. I'm fully of the opinion that, if they wanted to say stuff that they aren't comfortable sharing in the media then they shouldn't say it at all.

I'll hold my hands up and say that I started the posts about the condensing nature of some of the people who attended. I'm standing by it based off the stuff I've seen on Twitter as a lot of it is pretty condescending.

We all had the opportunity to get a ticket. Those who went speak positively about the event and are confident in those running the club. I trust IL and KR who will always have the best interest of the club at heart and as has been said, it will all come out in due course.
I’m grateful to those who went and have put bits of information on here and from this, I’m a lot more relaxed about the state of of the club. The fact we’re looking for a scrum half gives me reason for optimism for next season.

Condescending

But I suppose that's me just being Condescending?

Don't know what mean

They stream it live and people sit through 10 minutes of stupid questions, they'll moan.

They record it, edit out the crap and they moan it wasn't live.

Literally can't win.

I expect the presentation will be shown in full and that was the key part of the night not the 18th question about the stadium and someone talking about the hall of fame.

I think we need to be clear what you mean when you say "you can't win". Basically it's pandering to a small minority who will complain regardless.

You can't/shouldn't not do things, because we have a moaning element of our club tho. There's plenty of reasonable fans, season ticket holders, Wigan TV subscribers etc who, at this moment, don't seem to be deserving of an update from the club.

Would it have been that hard for them to say something like, we'll be recording the event and if will be on Wigan TV within a week?

I don't think its something worth getting wound up about - I'm sure events will be reported soon in one form or other. One thing I think most would agree on though is that its not ideal for the club to state that they will give regular updates on social media and then give none. Promising something and then not following through without explanation is never going to go down well in any walk of life.

Oh no, I’m gutted now. I read a tweet from someone saying there were a handful of a tickets left in the early afternoon so I just assumed they’d gone.

Any word on the financial stability of the club and the relationship with the football team?

INOUT

And as SP said I never said you were (you weren’t) nor did I imply you were either. I think I made that quite clear at the bottom, obviously not clear enough so if it did offend you, genuinely it wasn’t meant to. I actually meant those on Twitter but didn’t make that clear so I do apologise if it offended you.

I still stand by that though as I also stand by the elitism comment but again that is confined to Twitter rather than posters on here who if anything have been quite informative.

I'm not offended

I'm genuinely amazed that over a situation like this I.e. supporting a rugby club someone could imply (and you compound it by using it "Genuinely sounds like"icon_wink.gif what you are implying

You could have said its like x,x or x without implying people at the club are what you said. And, that others are complicit in it when using that analogy.

I've had to deal with situations surrounding this area in the past, and the number of people on Facebook or twitter for example who drag innocent bystanders into the argument, whos reputations are brought into question, who have lies told about them who are nothing more than people going about their business is beyond belief

I'll leave it at that, I would just say your choice of words are on the extreme, albeit I understand your sentiment behind the situation.

IL always bangs the "Wigan is a global brand" drum . To impose the media blackout that he did last night he did himself no favours imo. He created a what's he trying to hide conspiracy theory that in a honesty he should not have and probably didn't exist

I do not dispute any of the facts that certain posters have posted here (thanks for that) it will all come out in the wash but it does make your mind work overtime as to the make up of the audience and what % of the usual suspects were in attendance.

Regards EW

I suppose given that we can all drop a gaffe or two when speaking I can understand them not showing it live but to not tweet about it does seem a little odd.

They have social media use it surely?

Obviously its difficult to give exactisms under the current circumstances
But

I think it would be fair to say that they went extensively into the impact of covid etc over the last 20months.(and not just financially)
The projections for 2020 were for a small loss and they had worked hard to get thisbunder control in the previous 2 years whilst still paying up to salary cap etc and having marquees, I think we all know that the last 20 months have had a serious impact on that.

They explained how that funding gap had been covered short and medium/long term.

And even though some of the number in the face it look bad, comparatively to other clubs and sporting organisations they feel positive about the future.

There are still unknowns, (inc SL/RFL issues and TV deal) like will crowds come back to pre pandemic levels for 2022 onwards (and before anyone says there was a whole section on markettig and what their intentions to rejuvenate the crowd situation both in terms of numbers and fan age) but they have plans based on a/ if they do come back to 2019 levels or better and b/ if they don't.
After the event i spoke to itchy nals lads and their mates (only recently made the link that they were his lads, I've never met itchy i dont think?) And we all ahd a little say, and one ofnthe thigs was hiw do we get the hundreds and thousands sat in pubs spenidng £25 back to the game spending £25? And for me short term that is the big question and I think like NK has previously said weve some green shoots last couple of home games (notnin terms of results may i add)

As for the relationship with the football, Rads said that he and his counterpart have a good relationship, other than that im not going to expand.

What inwill say, and try to be light hearted about, is I dont knownwhy people waste their time asking why IL doesn't build a stadium, even last night someone asked and received an answer, and then 2 others virtually aksed the same question over na dover again.

I’m sure there were more pressing questions on the night but I’d love to know if anyone asked about the obvious downturn in communications from the club on platforms such as Twitter. The total lack of coverage on u19’s games now is poor, with just the odd one being covered live and all away games not being covered, even in the form of tweeting team news, score updates etc (other than maybe a retweet from the home sides feed) It is another element of how things are being run that gives an impression that costs have been cut to the absolute maximum, so whilst it may have not been covered as an individual question, I wonder if it was covered under the umbrella of general running costs/cost cutting.

Cheers mate

Interesting point, as that was going through my mind both pre and post event
Conspircy theorists

Without going into the whole thing as we could have a full blown discussion/argument i find that it's almost like "you've told us this, but what haven't you told us" attitude to be rife in society
I agree that lack of communication can lead to conspiracy theory, but i can't for the life of me understand why people themselves seem to enjoy turning things into one. Thats more about life in general than this situation if I'm honest, but as someone who has dealt with the 5G rollout and the Complete rubbish spouted over the last couple of years about it and, and this is serious, the engineers that have been physically harmed, the damage these people have done physically to people and infrastructure is frightening, and I can't for the life of me how people end up thinking like that.

Anyway, I suppose that horse as bolted in life in general, and its uo to people which way they go with that.