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| Quote ="ComeOnYouWolves"Watching tonights episode of NRL 360. They are slating Williams for not manning up. Kenty is saying he is back to you guys as Hastings is going to the Tigers. Hooper has said its not done and us and Leeds are in the hunt.
I'm not sure on how Canberra are treating this, on the surface it seems like Canberra dont give two you know whats. However it is suggested that Williams isnt helping himself.
I'd be surprised if he hasnt got something lined up for next season already whoever it is.'"
Where can you watch that? I sometimes see clips on Youtube but not sure where the full episodes are screened. They're very sensationalist but its fun to watch.
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| George is in the driving seat for 2021, but this will certainly have knocked him. He's basically unemployed for the next 9 months.
Dirty tactic from Canberra really.
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"Very respectful considering it's a possible mental health issue!
I also wonder if they said the same about:
Trent Barrett
FPN
Ben Barba
Trent Merrin
James Segeyaro
Sika Manu
Plus the countless others who went back to NRL, not even during a pandemic.'"
The blokes on that programme are a joke, in fact the whole coverage of the game over there seems classless. They just seem to have free reign to say what they want.
We hopefully see Williams back here but even if it’s elsewhere, it hopefully benefits all clubs in the longer run because the way guys like Williams and Bateman have been treated in the media over there should be a warning to any lad thinking of going over. They’re going from a low key, un-intrusive environment here, to a country where they have a Premier league style focus on them and the media seem to have no accountability for the claims they make.
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| Quote ="MadDogg"Where can you watch that? I sometimes see clips on Youtube but not sure where the full episodes are screened. They're very sensationalist but its fun to watch.'"
I bought the NRL season Pass so i can watch it. They have just responded to the tweet by Williams which said he has not signed the release papers. Basically they are saying that the info from there sources at the club say Williams has signed the release and putting it all on him. Williams says he hasnt. Who knows.....
It must be hard for a RL player moving to Aus and having that Premier League footballer media scrutiny 24/7.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"The blokes on that programme are a joke, in fact the whole coverage of the game over there seems classless. They just seem to have free reign to say what they want.
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I watched one recently. Not sure what its called , but its like what we used to have for football called sunday supplement.
It was basically 4 journalists discussing rugby league and all they did for an hour was shout at each other and over each other. It was utterly shambolic
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouWolves"
It must be hard for a RL player moving to Aus and having that Premier League footballer media scrutiny 24/7.'"
And having no family as a support network.
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| I actually enjoy it, the premise of the show is its meant to be blokes in the pub talking about all the subjects and they are doing it on screen.
Jammer is currently on and screaming at the journos about the head high crackdown in the NRL. Jammers stuck up for WIlliams.
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| Typical whinging pom will no doubt be the mantra.
As someone else said, funny when the shoe is on the other foot
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| Quote ="Father Ted"If George signs anywhere it will be long term. Wire or Leeds wouldn't allow themselves to be used as a stop gap for 6 months so he could then go to Wigan. I really hope he signs for us.
How we fit him under the salary cap will be the conundrum.
Might be resolved, sadly, if French's injury is long term and he's out for the season. By all rumours he's on a fair wedge so if he was released (with a pay off) then that would make money available for GW. I don't know how the SC works regarding allocation. If George were to sign now then would 6 months salary count on the cap as 6 months has been taken on the Raiders cap, or does a full 12 months count?
As for him fitting in then I agree with as has been said, Hastings to 13 and George to 6.
Best of Luck to IL & Rads in getting George signed.
I hope they are successful.'"
Any pay off to French would still count on the cap.
Looks to be a complex one but probably a few ways to make it work.
Let’s be honest he is a must for us.
Potential to sign him on a reduced contract then the following year top that up once he can take marquee status by paying over his market value.
Probably a concern about deferred payments with that last one although if it is all contractually in writing then I think it would be ok.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouWolves"Watching tonights episode of NRL 360. They are slating Williams for not manning up. Kenty is saying he is back to you guys as Hastings is going to the Tigers. Hooper has said its not done and us and Leeds are in the hunt.
I'm not sure on how Canberra are treating this, on the surface it seems like Canberra dont give two you know whats. However it is suggested that Williams isnt helping himself.
I'd be surprised if he hasnt got something lined up for next season already whoever it is.'"
It was a disgusting watch. Journo’s over there are pathetic
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| Quote ="Poky"I watched one recently. Not sure what its called , but its like what we used to have for football called sunday supplement.
It was basically 4 journalists discussing rugby league and all they did for an hour was shout at each other and over each other. It was utterly shambolic'"
I actually quite like it. I love how big the sport is over there and how much scrutiny comes with it. Yes, they cross the line but I'd rather have that than the shambolic coverage we get.
Imagine journos actually holding the game to account and not Baz and Tez trying to be everyone's best mate.
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| Only £75K of his salary would count on the cap and Wigan usually keep an amount spare for mid season opportunities.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Only £75K of his salary would count on the cap and Wigan usually keep an amount spare for mid season opportunities.'"
If the physical finance is there to take advantage of that it’s an easy decision. To have a cracking player here whilst using that rule is a big advantage going forward. It’s all about having the finance though I suppose, both now and in the future to use it to its maximum potential.
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| Wigan must be in pole position to sign him since they have some form of 'first refusal' option, Wigan are his home team club, and he would only count £75k on your cap vs. £150k elsewhere (home trained).
The problem for any club is, do they have an unused marquee space? If both spots are already filled then one marquee player has to count 100% towards the cap.
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| Quote ="St Helens Wolf"Wigan must be in pole position to sign him since they have some form of 'first refusal' option, Wigan are his home team club, and he would only count £75k on your cap vs. £150k elsewhere (home trained).
The problem for any club is, do they have an unused marquee space? If both spots are already filled then one marquee player has to count 100% towards the cap.'"
But he would only be signing for half a season, so you would expect that Wigan, Leeds and the wolfs have room for him this season, the breaker may be the following seasons and the length of contract on offer, as has been said many times we have first communication with him, not a guaranteed right to sign him, he may not want to come back to Wigan, Gildart will be gone next year, Burgess is at Salford, so lads he grew up with have moved on
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| I enjoy the Aussie coverage to a degree as it's a world away from the easy ride players, coaches and administrators get over here. In the UK RL journalists live in fear of upsetting anyone so nobody really asks difficult questions. That leads to really boring coverage. So much so that I just gave up on it and I only rarely watch any televised RL over here.
That said when NRL 360 degenerates into four blokes yelling at each other it's e. On the other side NRL on Channel 9 has opinionated ex-players coming out with bollox so it's not just journalists.
The coverage is like the Premier League gets over here and so players going there need to understand that's one of the downsides of going there, which also has to be measured against the much bigger salary, nicer weather, better standard of competition etc. If you really make it you can get a gig on one of those shows like James Graham but you need to be one of the best players in the comp as well as being able to string a sentence together.
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| Quote ="Lazy J"But he would only be signing for half a season, so you would expect that Wigan, Leeds and the wolfs have room for him this season,'"
I understood that, under these circumstances, the player's salary is taken pro rata meaning that whatever he is paid for half a season counts as double that against the cap.
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| Quote ="St Helens Wolf"I understood that, under these circumstances, the player's salary is taken pro rata meaning that whatever he is paid for half a season counts as double that against the cap.'"
tried to explain this on the forum numerous times
People think that if for example the players wages annually added up to 1.5million we could bring someone in half way through the season and pay them 700k (The rest of the cap) for half a season, you can't
the players wages are spent/assessed monthly
So the cap is 2.2m (I think) divided by 12months - i.e. 183,000 a month approx.
If you are running at £170k a month for the first 6 months of the year the 13k spend per month your under the cap x 6 previous months cannot be used at some point down the line
You can only spend up to £183,000 per month each month
So if were 13k per month under the cap then Wigan can only pay a 6 month contract of 13k x 6 months for the rest of the year
Hope that makes sense
Disclaimer - All numbers above are hypothetical
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| Quote ="Jukesays"tried to explain this on the forum numerous times
People think that if for example the players wages annually added up to 1.5million we could bring someone in half way through the season and pay them 700k (The rest of the cap) for half a season, you can't
the players wages are spent/assessed monthly
So the cap is 2.2m (I think) divided by 12months - i.e. 183,000 a month approx.
If you are running at £170k a month for the first 6 months of the year the 13k spend per month your under the cap x 6 previous months cannot be used at some point down the line
You can only spend up to £183,000 per month each month
So if were 13k per month under the cap then Wigan can only pay a 6 month contract of 13k x 6 months for the rest of the year
Hope that makes sense
Disclaimer - All numbers above are hypothetical'"
Interesting, I didn’t realise it was a monthly cap on expenditure, thanks for a clear explanation
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| Quote ="Jukesays"tried to explain this on the forum numerous times
People think that if for example the players wages annually added up to 1.5million we could bring someone in half way through the season and pay them 700k (The rest of the cap) for half a season, you can't
the players wages are spent/assessed monthly
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Good luck with that. We have a few who struggle with the concept over on the Wire pages
Also quite a few who think that you can structure the wages so that you pay more one year and less another. The simple fact is that the RL have the final say in the figure that is used against the cap, so no chance for creative accounting.
For GW to come to the Wire we'd have to let another marquee player go early. That could happen as Austin would likely be on his way at the end of the season anyway and Widopp has expressed a wish to return to Australia to be near to his kids.
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MEN says we have a marquee spot available only 75 k on salary cap and pay him what he wants over that not counting on cap.
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| I'm guessing Williams might not be able to command a marquee salary this season if no team has the cap space for it. It may be a case of him taking a lower salary with us this year then a big salary next year when we can free up cap space.
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| I totally get the "We need a good prop as top priority" thing.
But George going to Leeds or Wire? that would be a disaster, and surely must not be allowed to happen.
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| Talking about Journalism...
The WEP have just run a story, that quotes Brian Carney, saying that Leigh are in for him.
Give me 360 any day of the week
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