But,

You made a statement which others disagree with.

You later said you wanted to free up "Wigan based talent", which HH is.

You have been given numerous reasons why people do not agree with you.

You have responded to peoples views with insults and rants.

You have taken one slant on an arguement to justify yourself and others have disagreed.

You have choosen to ignore all the views of others, even if they can see the merit of your arguement, But have given you reasons why they don't agree with you. If you can't take people disagreeing with you, maybe you should refrain from opening a thread.

1. We all know what it was about.

"Look at me, Look at me". "I was right from a few weeks ago".

2. To attempt to make everyone who disagree with your 'opinion' look foolish.


I'd say both attempts crashed and burned looking over the last 9 pages.

Answer to Q1..... For you to justify your arguement.

Answer to Q2......See above.

Looks like we are both stupid MattyB

The Wigan based talent was a totally separate issue. It was an argument I was all for.
This thread is about was Hansen missed, so the Wigan based talent has nothing to do with it.
People can disagree with me, thats fair enough, shame that the majority (like yourself) don't even understand the OP.
I have used insults in retaliation to the many insults I have received first.
I have argued a point, which I still agree with, you don't even probably understand the OP.

Keep it coming.

So what was my intial point? Please show you know what the entire thread is about, because as it stands you look a little silly arguing for the sake of it.
I don't mind disagreement, I do mind abuse which I then have to retaliate against.

Come on MattyB, you can do it!

I'm off to clean behind my fridge....

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Can I give you a hand?

Because I thought the post was a perfectly valid question related to the topic of whether or not HH was missed. I simply asked the question to gain a better understanding of your opinion (which you are perfectly entitled to, although I disagree with it) by asking you to clarify a point you made.

Namely this bit:

I was just wondering who you had in mind?

back to the original question, no we havent missed hansen as of yet but at the moment when all fit he would still be in the 17 with out question. With hock and fielden back then i dont know. Think it will be a 50/50 one. I personally would leave him out as i prefer both mossop and farrell and then hock and fielden will come in for hansen and lima. Thats just my opinion though! I actually dont think mcguire will though.

Whatever floats your boat. If you don't understand something just ask. As the OP poster I am always willing to justify my point, no one has to agree with it. But I will discuss it.

PS I only name call when attacked.

Quote ="Lucky XIII"Because I thought the post was a perfectly valid question related to the topic of whether or not HH was missed. I simply asked the question to gain a better understanding of your opinion (which you are perfectly entitled to, although I disagree with it) by asking you to clarify a point you made. Namely this bit: I was just wondering who you had in mind?'" Sure www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 Look at his direct replacement.

Quote ="Lucky XIII"Because I thought the post was a perfectly valid question related to the topic of whether or not HH was missed. I simply asked the question to gain a better understanding of your opinion (which you are perfectly entitled to, although I disagree with it) by asking you to clarify a point you made. Namely this bit: I was just wondering who you had in mind?'" Sure www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 Look at his direct replacement.

Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Sure www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 Look at his direct replacement.'" Except that Liam Farrell wasn't Hansen's direct replacement. They are both fully fledged first-team players in their own right. I'd call neither a squad player. Hansen and Farrell were both in the squad when HH was ruled out. His direct replacement (i.e. the player who came into the 17 the week after to replace him) was Chris Tuson. So I urge you to have a look at his direct replacement: www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011

Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Sure www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 Look at his direct replacement.'" Except that Liam Farrell wasn't Hansen's direct replacement. They are both fully fledged first-team players in their own right. I'd call neither a squad player. Hansen and Farrell were both in the squad when HH was ruled out. His direct replacement (i.e. the player who came into the 17 the week after to replace him) was Chris Tuson. So I urge you to have a look at his direct replacement: www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011

Quote ="Lucky XIII"Except that Liam Farrell wasn't Hansen's direct replacement. They are both fully fledged first-team players in their own right. I'd call neither a squad player. Hansen and Farrell were both in the squad when HH was ruled out. His direct replacement (i.e. the player who came into the 17 the week after to replace him) was Chris Tuson. So I urge you to have a look at his direct replacement: www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011'" Farrell is his direct replacement. Hansen was a starter and Faz on the bench, this naturally is a direct comparison when other factors like mins on the pitch and starts come into play. Tuson only has 6 appearances to his name, his minutes are going to be vastly less. Faz is the direct comparison, and as you can see is performing better. But you are naturally entitled to your opinion.

Quote ="Lucky XIII"Except that Liam Farrell wasn't Hansen's direct replacement. They are both fully fledged first-team players in their own right. I'd call neither a squad player. Hansen and Farrell were both in the squad when HH was ruled out. His direct replacement (i.e. the player who came into the 17 the week after to replace him) was Chris Tuson. So I urge you to have a look at his direct replacement: www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011'" Farrell is his direct replacement. Hansen was a starter and Faz on the bench, this naturally is a direct comparison when other factors like mins on the pitch and starts come into play. Tuson only has 6 appearances to his name, his minutes are going to be vastly less. Faz is the direct comparison, and as you can see is performing better. But you are naturally entitled to your opinion.

“Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.”

I seriously have nothing against Hansen, he's a solid player who works hard. I just have something against the abuse for suggesting he won't be missed.
Lets be honest, we have other players who can do what he can do, thankfully due to the depth we have in our squad.
In comparison if Lockers, Sam or Pat was injured long term we can't directly replace them.

That's the basis of it.

I agree. Our 18 and 30+ point defeats were because of kicking

I like it!

But it was the only way to directly answer the question in this instance.

Quote ="Conroy"I agree. Our 18 and 30+ point defeats were because of kicking '" wigan.rlfans.com/news.php?readmore=989

Quote ="Conroy"I agree. Our 18 and 30+ point defeats were because of kicking '" wigan.rlfans.com/news.php?readmore=989

I take it you watched the WCC?

Regardless of Pat missing the start of the season, he's contribution to the team can be reviewed separately. This, as the OP states is about Hansen.

Faz isn't a replacement for Hansen, he's a teammate playing at just as high a level in the same squad week in, week out. If the subs bench in RL worked the way it did in football, then maybe you'd have a point. But in Rugby League, the 4 on the bench are just as much a part of the squad for the game as the 13 who start on the field.

If you roughly half HH's stats seeing as he'd played 11 compared to Tuson's 6, he still performs consistently better.

And Madge made 2 changes to the 17 the week after Hansen got injured. Joel and Harrison out, Tuson and Goulding in. Surely that's the definition of DIRECT replacement? Or am I missing something?

Ah yes. So we missed 4 kicks that day that cost us did we? Here's me thinking they were the better side and scored more tries than us

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We DREW this game with a last minute KICK by Sam Tomkins. You sure Pat would have kicked them all?

Here's a little quiz question for you:

Hansen is a first team starter for Wigan, he gets injured. Who the following week starts in the 1-13 line up?
The answer will give you his direct replacement.

For an extra point: how many games have Wigan lost in his absence?