Wearing a fairly large knee brace for an uninjured player this morning......

I am also not buying the inevitable six points stuff. Carmont was caught over a much shorter run earlier in the match, there were serveral Leeds players around, many of whom were more than quick enough to catch Richards or Carmont over the 50-60m or so to the line. I think you are allowing emotion to cloud your judgement a bit if you are really honest. I have watched the pull back this morning on a replay, and it is the sort of incident that happens pretty often throughout the season. Penalty, 10 minutes, end of chat.

I have never seen a red card given for a professional foul in RL, I think you have the wrong sport. Had Monsieur Alibert penalised him (rightly) for the pull back, you would have faced 12 men for a very few seconds from an un-kickable penalty. He (wrongly) penalised Donald instead, so you got a kickable penalty. In neither circumstance would the disciplinary be even considering a ban.

If a player was injured in an attempt to injure another player, I could understand a bit of schadenfreude (not my bag, but I could understand it). Injured in a non-violent offence? I don't see the poetic justice. What's the "natural justice" penalty for being offside? Would a broken finger be sufficient?

I think a few deep, cleansing breaths are needed on this board.

Oh, and Bluey's post-match comments allude to an incident other than the pull back on Carmont, the case for or against which remains very much un-proven.

Not a red card offence though was it?

I agree it maybe shouldnt of been a penalty for that. Sky showing the replay so many times in slow motion definately made it look worse. Crusaders had a penalty given against them for the exact same thing against Hull FC the other week so at least they are being consistent. Really we should of had a penalty on our 30m line where McGuire committed the offence, but instead Donald was judged to make the offence, hence why I'm saying the penalty was in the wrong. But it doesnt matter now anyway, Leeds deserved the win we need to concentrate on Friday.

Correct.

It's also being ignored that Leeds were effectively down to 12 men, sin bin for McGuire or not. His injury meant they were a man down, so the sin bin/send off debate is utterly futile. Only a narcissistic referee would have binned a man on a stretcher with 5 seconds left.

I give you Steve Ganson.

Did anyone grab hold of the ref like one of your players did not so long ago?

No way.

Ut should never have been a bloody penalty in the first place, donald was committed, he dived into the tackle before richards even kicked the ball ffs.....and then the ball went straight into touch.

the penalty SHOULD have been 20 metres further back for the carmont incident.

Watch the game again...

The ball did not go straight into touch, it bounced then went out. Most of the people are saying that the penalty was harsh as Donald was committed, but if thats the penalty that is given then its taken where the ball landed. They are the rules. Kick was missed anyway, so I dont know what people are still going on about.

Do you Warriors fans now have emotional closure?

Can we all move on with our lives and respective partners?

If so, this is beautiful.

bloody marvellous.....folk calling for a red for a cheating little , and no..we wont be cheering him in the tri nations cos he wont get picked.
calling for red for joels kick out.

well forget this garbage and read another topic on here...............the only one to be up before the RL is Buderus,,,now that deffo should have been straight red.

Simple to clear this all up I agree Donald WAS committed however in the other leeds game Coley was binned for tackling burrows at EXACTLY the moment he kicked the ball.

This shows above all consistency from the Refs imo. Which as we all know is something they've lacked.


And yes I know consistently wrong but at the end of the day we are now even in that respect.

for the sake of 'official-ness' he should have yellow carded him. In theory, what would have happened if Wigan had got downfield to get a 1 pointer, then in extra time McGuire made a miracle recovery and came back on to score the winning try?

of course, he didnt give a penalty for the McGuire incident so its a completely irrelevant point.

Get a grip and take your emotionally retarded judgement out of it. Neither was a red.

Never have I read such unintelligible, one-eyed bile that is demonstrated in this thread coming from a team that has the most penalised player in the League. Sweet Jesus.

I'm afraid I don't actually understand what you're saying here?

Ruled out for 8 months with multiple ligament tears. So people who believed he was injured might just have been right.

Still, lots of people get their wishes granted......

i assume you are old enough to read?

go through the thread,
people post that mguire should have been sent off for what was a proffessional foul...mabe, but im not sure
some want Joel sent off for an act of stupidity....dont think it warranted anything more than a penalty..

neither incident has resutled in the concerned players being caled to see the disciplinary??

Buderus has been..........for a tackle that could have broken Prescotts neck.
he should have been straight of ..and a ref with guts would have......so stop whinging and face the fact you might be without him and the cheat for your next game

emotional retard?............i love it.

ive just told you niether was a red,,ffs

buderus should have been for a tackle that could have broken Prescotts neck....................which would have paled mcguires injury into insignificance

If thats the truth, then i'll have no hesitation in withdrawing my earlier comments about him play-acting.
Foul play or not....Costing us the game or not....I dont think anyone using this forum would genuinely wish to see any player seriously injured.
Should there be a rematch at Headingley, i for one would like it to be against a full-strength 100% fit Leeds side.
Makes victory even sweeter that way!

No. No, not at all.

Unlike you, I make the observation as an impartial individual.

I have been quite old enough to read for quite some time. Thank you for your enquiry.

I even recognised all the words in your initial post, it was the in which they were put together that I found somewhat ambiguous, hence my query. I wouldn't want to write any response to your arguments without being clear as to what they were. Thank you for the clarification, although it might have been nice to lose the attitude a touch. We're all (presumably) grown ups here.

Ignoring the tone, I am inclined to more or less agree with you on the first 2 incidents. The McGuire incident was a professional foul. That's a yellow card, not red in RL. He should have received said yellow. I've never heard of a professional foul resulting in a disciplinary hearing, so I think that is all as it ought to be. Danny McGuire will miss the next game anyway, but not for disciplinary reasons.

I think Joel Tomkins lashed out. The incident has been reviewed. I personally think he would do well to keep his temper in check, and his formal caution reflects that. Otherwise that seems about fair. Had he kicked with more malice, and should he do it again, I would expect him to be dealt with more severely. I hope he learns his lesson from the caution, because he's clearly a talented lad. He has an edge, but he needs to stay the right side of the line.

As for the Buderus incident, I have no problem with that being reviewed. For me it didn't look malicious. He drove in with the shoulder, nice and low. He lost control of the tackle and it became dangerous, exacerbated by the fact that the 2nd Leeds man had let go, which cost some stability. I am torn on the disciplinary's role in this. On the one hand, I think it was an error rather than a deliberate attempt to injure, and is the sort of thing that happens in RL. On the other hand, it is a dangerous error, as you point out, so I would not be totally opposed to the idea of the RFL handing out bans for this type of incident. Whether they go for a ban or a warning, I will be happy to abide by that decision, and promise not to whinge about it. I don't think I have done so previously, but you may recall something I've written elsewhere which was whinging. I'd be happy to withdraw it if you can bring it to my attention.

Thank you for your time.

Seems fair enough to me! Apologies we will be unable to furnish you with a full strength team!

Both very good points.

Joel, as rightly pointed out, needs to learn his lesson and behave himself. His petulant actions could have cost us a lot more than 2 points, and had a different refereee been in charge we'd have been playing with 12 men for at least 10 minutes I think.

I think we all agree that the penalty was for the mcguire 'challange' not the donald but the fact is they give it for the donald challage and the ball bounced in the field of play 10 yards from where it happened so it should have been on the 30 mark not the 40

You are wrong it was a penalty and the ref got it wrong ..The kick should have been taken were the ball hit the ground ..The Leeds player took the man out if he hadn't Wigan would have scored ..And I have no axe to grind The first one the ref called play on, it was and linesman who gave it for the second one with help from the video ref ,you could see the ref asking him to check

Pat wouldn't have scored, the ball went into touch. Clear penalty, though...and should have been 10m closer to the posts with another penalty for dissent.