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| Quote ="Red Hot Jalapeno"No he would not get moaned at. He would be seen to be in control of the situation rather than it looking like it does now-a b@lls up. I suspect the truth behind it all is that he failed to get his number 1 choice (Kearney) so has been scratching around for a replacement ever since.Hes played Noble at a game all along hoping that in the worst case scenario in that he cannot get a new coach he can just try to talk him into a one year deal and the game would start all over again next year.
There is absolutely no reason why IL could not commit to a yes or no answer weeks ago when asked if Noble would or wouldnt be here next year. If you can give me a reason why that should be kept a secret then please feel free to do so.'"
Nothing but negative supposition, again.
I repeat - you don't know what's happening, so you're making up a worst case scenario because you're peeved at being kept in the dark.
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| Quote ="inside_man"Disagree completely, announcing anything regarding the coaching position within the last 8 weeks would have been detrimental to the team, UNLESS he was staying, in which case it would have been announced ages ago.
I think that everyone who needs to know will already know, and thats the way it should be. Fairly enough as fans we want to know whats going on, but thats not how clubs are run in reality.
Its different from what St Helens did with Anderson last year, he was a massively successful coach who announced that he was going back to Aus, in which case it would only have been beneficial to the team and club and fans to give him a big send off. With Noble though, a lot of fans would be happy to already see him gone, changing the situation completely.
As long as something re: coach and signings is announced as soon as we are knocked out of the playoffs, absolutely fine by me.'"
Or after we win it
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| Quote ="Red Hot Jalapeno"No he would not get moaned at. He would be seen to be in control of the situation rather than it looking like it does now-a b@lls up. I suspect the truth behind it all is that he failed to get his number 1 choice (Kearney) so has been scratching around for a replacement ever since.Hes played Noble at a game all along hoping that in the worst case scenario in that he cannot get a new coach he can just try to talk him into a one year deal and the game would start all over again next year.
There is absolutely no reason why IL could not commit to a yes or no answer weeks ago when asked if Noble would or wouldnt be here next year. If you can give me a reason why that should be kept a secret then please feel free to do so.'"
As said above, there is every reason why IL would not tell us that we have no coach the week before the finals.
As has also been said before, why does he have to tells us now, when the alternative is tell us when the finals are over.
The only game he's played Noble at is win a new contract, I'm not sure what you would like him to do. He has made no comment on Noble other than he likes the guy, and a contract will be offered or not offered based on results. Where is the game in that?
Of course he would get moaned at, have you been to wigan? Nobody loves anything more than a good moan, and infact everyone is moaning right now becuase IL hasn't told us something we don't need to know yet.
What if he is currently talking to three coaches/clubs, if he tells us this he risks upsetting 4 clubs, including our own, so close to the play-offs. If he is in contract negotiations with Noble, IL has no reason to tell us this and potentially put people off the games (if you believe some of the threats on here.) If IL has nobody lined up, and is still considering his options, then agian, I wouldn't be telling people that if I was him because I would have nothing positive to announce.
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| Be in no doubt, IL will be looking to confirm a coach for next year, whether that's BN or AN Other. He could and should be looking at as many candidates as he can, to make sure whoever does the job for us next year is the best man for the job. If he hasn't found anyone by now, and if BN walks away, I fear we could be left with a less than satisfactory position where we use a caretaker coach or get the wrong man. If a better alternative isn't available, get BN signed up asap.
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| Quote ="Catalancs"Not sure what Celtic's reasoning was, but it worked.'"
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| Quote ="Cruncher"Nothing but negative supposition, again.
I repeat - you don't know what's happening, so you're making up a worst case scenario because you're peeved at being kept in the dark.'"
Nodding along with you Cruncher.... Just cause you are a fan, does not mean you should be privvy to all thats going on behind the scenes...
fan
· n. a person who has a strong interest in or admiration for a particular sport, art form, or famous person.
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| Quote ="Red Hot Jalapeno".....the people he is trying to sell the Wigan RL brand to have no idea who the coach is next year or if we even have a coach for next year.'"
That is a good point. The club will be looking for sponsors but can't say who is the coach for 2010. Now I am sure someone will come back and say, "maybe they do know and will be telling the sponsors" but that is too far fetched. It would leak out and that is virtually guaranteed.
Quote If your scenario is true then all he needed to do is come out and say 'Brian Noble will be leaving at the end of the season and we are in negotiations with candidates for the head coach position, an announcement will be made as soon as possible'. '"
It really is that simple. All this he will look daft if he can't announce who the new coach is just silly. It would have been perfectly reasonable to make such a statement.
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| Quote ="DaveO"That is a good point. The club will be looking for sponsors but can't say who is the coach for 2010. Now I am sure someone will come back and say, "maybe they do know and will be telling the sponsors" but that is too far fetched. It would leak out and that is virtually guaranteed.
It really is that simple. All this he will look daft if he can't announce who the new coach is just silly. It would have been perfectly reasonable to make such a statement.
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In all honesty, Who cares?
We are in the playoffs, that is my only concern.
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| Quote ="tugglesf78"In all honesty, Who cares?
We are in the playoffs, that is my only concern.
all these hypotheticals are starting to do my nut in.'"
The problem is that when some people have got nothing to moan about, they make something up.
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| In the past couple of years both Leeds and Stains have announced towards the end of the season that their coach was leaving. Both won a trophy shortly after releasing the news.
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| we had two new coaches this year - Lord Smith and an open top one to parade the cup - not sure if you all know - we won the challenge cup.
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| cant understand why you want a new coach,noble is doing a good job you have all clicked now and are playing really well,i mean you are in the play offs got to the semi finals in challenge cup all i all it been a good season so far.you have also got a good chance of getting in the final
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| Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"In the past couple of years both Leeds and Stains have announced towards the end of the season that their coach was leaving. Both won a trophy shortly after releasing the news.'"
May have helped that they were both very good, very well coached teams. We aren't. I reckon we'd be less able to take the hit.
But that's my last word on the matter for the time being. It's got so boring and repetitive now that Wire chuckle-brothers are starting to sneak in, having realised that they're no longer out of their intellectual depth.
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| Quote ="elf1804"cant understand why you want a new coach,noble is doing a good job you have all clicked now and are playing really well,i mean you are in the play offs got to the semi finals in challenge cup all i all it been a good season so far.you have also got a good chance of getting in the final'"
We demand sucess and trophies which has been in short reply for a number of years, make your own mind up
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| Quote ="Cruncher"But that's my last word on the matter for the time being. It's got so boring and repetitive now that Wire chuckle-brothers are starting to sneak in, having realised that they're no longer out of their intellectual depth.'"
Isn't this code for "I just lost the debate"?
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| Quote ="DaveO"Isn't this code for "I just lost the debate"?
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Using the Saints and Leeds coaches who were in demand as coaches as an example (Anderson was always going to walk into an NRL job) of a model Wigan should follow makes no sense as Noble is more than likely going to have to take a step down after his time at Wigan.
Anderson and Smith left of there own accord i would think Noble is not going to.
I keep hearing poor reasons trying to justify why we should make an announcement now.
The sponsorship one is also poor. To expect a sponsor to be affected by a coach is silly, half the companiies that sponsor the game will have MD's who have no clue about rugby league, they will look at exposure and history.
I am certain everyone that needs to know will know, why the Wigan fans are forever chasing rainbows is beyond me.
Have a go next year when the coach and squad is announced, personally i think you will be pleasantly surprised, enjoy 2009 let the powers that be deal with 2010 as i am sure they are.
Regards the speculation being a distraction, seems to me the only people really speculating about Nobles future is a small section of the RL press, a very small section, and Wigan fans. Nobody else seems too bothered.
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| Quote ="jonh"Using the Saints and Leeds coaches who were in demand as coaches as an example (Anderson was always going to walk into an NRL job) of a model Wigan should follow makes no sense as Noble is more than likely going to have to take a step down after his time at Wigan.
Anderson and Smith left of there own accord i would think Noble is not going to.
I keep hearing poor reasons trying to justify why we should make an announcement now.
The sponsorship one is also poor. To expect a sponsor to be affected by a coach is silly, half the companiies that sponsor the game will have MD's who have no clue about rugby league, they will look at exposure and history.
I am certain everyone that needs to know will know, why the Wigan fans are forever chasing rainbows is beyond me.
Have a go next year when the coach and squad is announced, personally i think you will be pleasantly surprised, enjoy 2009 let the powers that be deal with 2010 as i am sure they are.
Regards the speculation being a distraction, seems to me the only people really speculating about Nobles future is a small section of the RL press, a very small section, and Wigan fans. Nobody else seems too bothered.'"
The ultimate final word on the matter. The case rests.
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| Quote ="DaveO" That is a good point. The club will be looking for sponsors but can't say who is the coach for 2010. Now I am sure someone will come back and say, "maybe they do know and will be telling the sponsors" but that is too far fetched. It would leak out and that is virtually guaranteed.'"
Perfectly valid point Dave. There is no reason whatsoever not to at least announce if Noble is staying or going. If as stated above that 'IL does not want to unsettle the team going into the play offs' then surely it further points to a b@lls up by him and he should of released the news weeks or even months ago. Who knows it may of even made the team determined to give Noble a good send off. Do the players even know if/who the new coach is next year? Im not sure,if they dont then isnt that going to unsettle the team?
Quote ="DaveO"It really is that simple. All this he will look daft if he can't announce who the new coach is just silly. It would have been perfectly reasonable to make such a statement.
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It really is simple yes. Noble is staying or he is going yes or no its not exactly rocket science is it. Could you imagine the uproar had this been Maurice Lindsay?!
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| Quote ="Red Hot Jalapeno"Perfectly valid point Dave. There is no reason whatsoever not to at least announce if Noble is staying or going. If as stated above that 'IL does not want to unsettle the team going into the play offs' then surely it further points to a b@lls up by him and he should of released the news weeks or even months ago. Who knows it may of even made the team determined to give Noble a good send off. Do the players even know if/who the new coach is next year? Im not sure,if they dont then isnt that going to unsettle the team?
It really is simple yes. Noble is staying or he is going yes or no its not exactly rocket science is it. Could you imagine the uproar had this been Maurice Lindsay?!'"
Why do you need to know? What benfit would it have?
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| Quote ="Cruncher"May have helped that they were both very good, very well coached teams. We aren't. I reckon we'd be less able to take the hit.'"
Maybe, maybe not.
I prefer the idea they treated people like adults and actually decided that the players were grown up enough to be able to take on some news and still play to the best of their abilities. Seems like that concept is a bit leftfield for some Wigan fans.
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| Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"Maybe, maybe not.
I prefer the idea they treated people like adults and actually decided that the players were grown up enough to be able to take on some news and still play to the best of their abilities. Seems like that concept is a bit leftfield for some Wigan fans.
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| Quote ="jonh"The players will know the score though just as Noble will.'"
If the players knew the whole story it would be on here in a flash.
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| Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"If the players knew the whole story it would be on here in a flash.'"
From my experience that would not be the case........and also who is to say it has not been, there have been more than one person including myself saying he will not be here beyond this season.
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| Quote ="jonh"From my experience that would not be the case........and also who is to say it has not been, there have been more than one person including myself saying he will not be here beyond this season.'"
You don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to be pretty convinced Noble won't be here next season as if he was getting an extension there's no reason why it wouldn't have been announced. Like I said, if the players knew who the new coach was it would have been posted on here by now, given how they leak info to mates etc. I think it's pretty obvious they don't know who it is yet.
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